03-01-2012, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger
I believe it is talked about later too. The daughter of some lord that Ned killed or something. Could be lies though.
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From what I can recall (it's been at least a few years since I've read the first couple) the "noble mother" was Jon himself asking Ned. Jon was remembering that he'd heard a tale where after Ned had killed one of the Kingsguard (The Eveningstar? Morningstar?) he went to the knight's tower to inform his next of kin, and then 'consoled' the knight's sister. Jon asked Ned about that one, and was rebuffed pretty hard by Ned.
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03-01-2012, 10:59 PM
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But Jon and ned haven't talked because Ned is dead. I'm talking Later than book 1.
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03-01-2012, 11:30 PM
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There's my mistake. From the FoI Wiki, it was Cat recounting the story in her head, and then asking Ned about it:
"Another theory claims Jon's mother was Ashara Dayne, his father being likely Eddard Stark or his older brother Brandon Stark. Lady Dayne was said to be with both of them during the Tourney at Harrenhal. According to Ser Barristan Selmy, one of the Starks bedded her at the tournament and got her with child. It was also known by many that she was pregnant before she killed herself by jumping from the tower of Starfall, also called the Palestone Sword, a tower on Starfall's cliff by the sea. Though Ser Barristan believes the ####### child of Lady Dayne was a stillborn girl, many still believe Ashara Dayne to be the mother of Jon Snow. Among those who believe so are Queen Cersei Lannister and Lady Catelyn Stark. Eddard refuses to answer Catelyn when she asks if Ashara Dayne was Jon's mother."
Told you my memory was a bit fuzzy. 
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03-02-2012, 11:34 AM
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But the timeline doesn't fit - the tourney at Harrenhal is at least year before Robert's uprising so that would make Jon Snow at least a year older than Rob Stark, which he isn't.
Although Ashara's body was never recovered, so who can say for sure she is really dead.
There are just too many holes right now for anything to be more than a guess.
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03-02-2012, 12:29 PM
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My guess is that Jon is Lyanna and Rhaegar's son, and that he made up the story about his birth to protect him. If Jon is Rhaegar's son he'd be a Targaryen and Robert et al. would have had him killed, but as Lyanna's son Ned would have protected him. But it's pure speculation until/if we find out in a later book.
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03-02-2012, 12:37 PM
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If he's a Dayne then maybe that will translate to Darkstar being a warg as well.
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03-02-2012, 12:39 PM
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Just because this person said A or that person said B in regards to Jon's parents doesn't make any of it true - the only thing we know is that one of his parents is a Stark (because of his stated looks)
When Arya ran into Lord Beric she met up with Edric Dayne, who was Jon's "milk brother" (he was nursed by Jon's mother). But even that doesn't mean that the woman mentioned was Jon's real mother.
Suppose Jon's "mother" (as Edric Dayne) knew her had a baby who died or was stillborn and Jon was substituted to protect him.
The thing I keep coming back to is that Ned, being a man of honour, probably wouldn't have taken Jon home and let him live with catelyn - remember Catelyn said that was very rare, and Ned's honour probably would have been satisfied if he provided for Jon's well-being. The only thing that would trump that, imo, is his promise to Lyanna, whatever that promise may have been.
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03-13-2012, 06:02 PM
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Stupid Amazon trolling me by sending me an email with the subject "George R.R. Martin's New Book" when it's just a Game of Thrones graphic novel.
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03-13-2012, 08:00 PM
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#49
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Originally Posted by Hanni
Stupid Amazon trolling me by sending me an email with the subject "George R.R. Martin's New Book" when it's just a Game of Thrones graphic novel.
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I added them to my pull list at my comic store and it's not too bad to be honest. Defo not for kids though - not toned down at all.
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03-13-2012, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Coys1882
I added them to my pull list at my comic store and it's not too bad to be honest. Defo not for kids though - not toned down at all.
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I have no doubt that the Graphic Novel is very good, I just got really excited when I read the subject of the email sitting in my inbox only to be bitterly disappointed that it wasn't something about the 6th book. Which in hindsight was silly to expect so soon anyway.
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03-26-2012, 03:24 PM
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In case anyone missed it, Martin was on George Strombolopoulos' (olopolopolus') show recently.
No obvious spoilers, but they do sort of circle some things that happen throughout the books so I figured perhaps here would be safer than the other thread.
http://www.cbc.ca/strombo/videos.html?id=2209994735
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03-26-2012, 03:51 PM
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Does he say when we can expect the next book? 2016? 2017?
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03-26-2012, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobblehead
In case anyone missed it, Martin was on George Strombolopoulos' (olopolopolus') show recently.
No obvious spoilers, but they do sort of circle some things that happen throughout the books so I figured perhaps here would be safer than the other thread.
http://www.cbc.ca/strombo/videos.html?id=2209994735 |
He was also on Q. No spoilers in that interview, but he did say he thinks the next two books won't take him as long as 4 and 5 did. So a little hope.
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04-02-2012, 10:56 AM
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One thing about seeing the series is things that aren't quite as I imagined them.
For example, the pronunciation of Cersei. In my mind I always said it as Ker-see. It kind of creates a bit of dissonance when I hear it with a soft C.
And it was a pretty damn dick move Green Lantern pulled on MMF. Such a petty thing to do.
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"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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04-02-2012, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobblehead
And it was a pretty damn dick move Green Lantern pulled on MMF. Such a petty thing to do.
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What did he do exactly? RW spoiler?
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04-02-2012, 11:01 AM
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Something about THE book 3 spoiler, all the books kind of run together in my head but I'm thinking it was about the red wedding, that was book 3 wasn't it?
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04-02-2012, 11:02 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobblehead
One thing about seeing the series is things that aren't quite as I imagined them.
For example, the pronunciation of Cersei. In my mind I always said it as Ker-see. It kind of creates a bit of dissonance when I hear it with a soft C.
And it was a pretty damn dick move Green Lantern pulled on MMF. Such a petty thing to do.
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Reading the novels I always pronounced it with the soft C. However Varys in the show is completely different than the character I had visualized in my head.
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Originally Posted by Coys1882
What did he do exactly? RW spoiler?
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I believe that is the one. Agree it was a dick move, that is arguably the biggest WTF moment in the series so far. I would have hated to have had it spoiled before reading it.
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04-02-2012, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Coys1882
What did he do exactly? RW spoiler?
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I believe so, since Photon said "THE book 3 spoiler".
I even hate the hints some people post. As soon as you post that something is going to happen, even if you don't specify, it means people aren't going to be quite as shocked.
I just wish people who have read the books would limit discussion in the thread to the actual episode and not even touch the speculation. I'd kind of like to see what sort of ideas people come up with so I can make fun of them in here.
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"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
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"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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04-02-2012, 11:08 AM
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I can't wait to see all the people excited about the dragons be let down this season, unless they bump up some book 3 stuff (slave master face melting) to make Dany's storyline more exciting than desert wandering.
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04-02-2012, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigtime
I can't wait to see all the people excited about the dragons be let down this season, unless they bump up some book 3 stuff (slave master face melting) to make Dany's storyline more exciting than desert wandering.
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Scenes in House of the Undying should be pretty trippy.
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"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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