Do you know anyone who's died from second hand smoke?

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by blankall

To devil's advocate for a moment, I do think the "Dangers" of second hand smoke have been overblown. I think it's one matter if you are exposed to second hand smoke constantly in an enclosed environment. The occasional wiff of cigarette smoke outdoors may not be pleasant but it won't kill you. Think about it for a second. When someone is smoking they are burnign a piece of a tobacco leaf. How does that compare to the cars on the street that are burning litres upon litres of gasoline.

Are you an expert? I don't know how anyone without actually studying the matter can say it's overblown.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Are you an expert? I don't know how anyone without actually studying the matter can say it's overblown.

I've actually read quite a bit of the studies on it. Most of them point to the fact that even if you are a heavy smoker as long as quit before aged 35 you only have a marginaly higher chacne of getting lung cancer.

From a common sense point of view, if you think that the occasional wiff of second hand smoke is going to give you lung cancer you'd better stay away from any kind of an open flame or combustion...which is pretty much everywhere.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by blankall

When someone is smoking they are burnign a piece of a tobacco leaf. How does that compare to the cars on the street that are burning litres upon litres of gasoline.

Gasoline burns cleaner.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by blankall

The occasional wiff of cigarette smoke outdoors may not be pleasant but it won't kill you.

Why should anyone have to endure this unpleasant odor even if it wont kill you? Would you be okay with having a fat person fart in your face once a day? It wouldn't be pleasant but it wouldn't kill you so I guess you would be okay with it?

[Dion]

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[First Lady]

Well non-smokers will be safer in Edmonton now....I believe this got passed today.

A proposed city bylaw going before the Community Standards Committee Monday could mean that anyone caught smoking within 10 metres of a playground, outdoor skating rink, or sports field will face a fine.

[Dion]

Secondhand smoke — also known as environmental tobacco smoke — includes the smoke that a smoker exhales (mainstream smoke) and the smoke that comes directly from the burning tobacco product (sidestream smoke). Secondhand smoke contains thousands of toxic chemicals, including:

• Benzene
• Carbon monoxide
• Chromium
• Cyanide
• Formaldehyde
• Lead
• Nickel
• Polonium

The dangerous particles in secondhand smoke can linger in the air for hours. Breathing secondhand smoke for a short time can irritate your lungs and reduce the amount of oxygen in your blood. Prolonged or repeated exposure to secondhand smoke is all the more dangerous. And it isn't just the smoke that's a concern. The residue that clings to a smoker's hair and clothing, as well as cushions, carpeting and other goods — sometimes referred to as thirdhand smoke — also can pose risks, especially for children.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/sec...-smoke/CC00023

[puckluck]

12 years ago I was on a plane which allowed smoking.

Words can not describe the murderous rampage I wanted to go on. I can't believe only recently smoking in public was outlawed.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by blankall

I've actually read quite a bit of the studies on it. Most of them point to the fact that even if you are a heavy smoker as long as quit before aged 35 you only have a marginaly higher chacne of getting lung cancer.

From a common sense point of view, if you think that the occasional wiff of second hand smoke is going to give you lung cancer you'd better stay away from any kind of an open flame or combustion...which is pretty much everywhere.

You must have read some pretty garbage studies if you think that "When someone is smoking they are burnign a piece of a tobacco leaf" is anything but an incredibly misleading statement.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Dion

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/sec...-smoke/CC00023

The vast majority of those chemicals are natural by-products of incompletely burning hydrocarbons. They will be found in burn. The heavy metals are from pesticides and will be found in only very trace amounts. The amount you would expect to breath in from difused second hand smoke is pretty neglible.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by valo403

You must have read some pretty garbage studies if you think that "When someone is smoking they are burnign a piece of a tobacco leaf" is anything but an incredibly misleading statement.

Please explain to me how its differnt then.

[Rerun]

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Why should anyone have to endure this unpleasant odor even if it wont kill you? Would you be okay with having a fat person fart in your face once a day? It wouldn't be pleasant but it wouldn't kill you so I guess you would be okay with it?

This is the root of it. People don't like it and want to stop other people from doing it.

So then they go and make up a bunch of BS "scientific arguments" to gain the moral high ground. If you don't like it, just say so. There's no reason to exaggerate the ill effects of second hand smoke.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Farting is obnoxious. We don't make people stand outside if they want to rip ass. I'm sure some people don't appreciate walking out onto the street when a diesel truck pulls away and they get a whiff of it.

I'm just wondering who exactly we're protecting, and who exactly has been killed by this menace. You're breathing in such trace amounts, how exactly is it any more carcinogenic than a twinkie?

It might not be, but I don't want to be force fed twinkies without having a say in it either.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by blankall

Please explain to me how its differnt then.

http://www.tobacco.org/Resources/599ingredients.html

That's a list of the ingredients added to cigarettes.

But you're right, it's totally just some dried up tobacco leaves

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by puckluck

12 years ago I was on a plane which allowed smoking.

Same (16 years ago) and to make matters worse, it was an alcohol free long haul flight.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Why should anyone have to endure this unpleasant odor even if it wont kill you?

We talking about smoke or perfume/aftershave?

[NuclearFart]

Originally Posted by blankall

The vast majority of those chemicals are natural by-products of incompletely burning hydrocarbons. They will be found in burn. The heavy metals are from pesticides and will be found in only very trace amounts. The amount you would expect to breath in from difused second hand smoke is pretty neglible.

Do you run your car in a closed room you simultaneously occupy? And why are you only focusing on lung cancer outcomes? Smoking is causative in a ton of other health ailments like COPD, heart attacks, strokes, aneurysms, high blood pressure, other cancers (bladder cancer is actually more common than lung), anemia, cavities...etc.

[Northendzone]

Originally Posted by valo403

If it's within the prescribed non-smoking area at a doorway it's very much not legal

i meant that generally speaking smoking is legal......as an aside, it also amuses me when governemnt sue tobacco companies for health care costs - the gov't knows that smoking is bad and thye allow it......

the list of stuff in darts also makes me laugh. i have always wondered about the taste test process, no #25 need more amonium nitrate #2, #26 has too much benzie propanol #13.......

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by blankall

This is the root of it. People don't like it and want to stop other people from doing it.

So then they go and make up a bunch of BS "scientific arguments" to gain the moral high ground. If you don't like it, just say so. There's no reason to exaggerate the ill effects of second hand smoke.

You're also the poster who said that we don't know the mechanism of heart disease.

I don't think people should pay any attention to anything you post about science or health. Why don't you leave it to the experts.