The Entire Cast of Star Trek TNG is coming to Calgary Comic Con

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

We've had this debate before.


I don't think it's bad. I just don't think it's as good as it's praise. I mean in the TNG HD sampler The Inner Light is one of the episodes. I can name several more I would choose instead.

Sins of the Father is a pretty stupid episode as well for a 3D sampler. Then again, I hated most Worf centric episodes.

But I was trying to think of good episodes I would replace them with and honestly...I can't think of any! They're all pretty bad. Maybe Yesterday's Enterprise.

[Yeah_Baby]

Measure of a Man? Tapestry?

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Sins of the Father is a pretty stupid episode as well for a 3D sampler. Then again, I hated most Worf centric episodes.

But I was trying to think of good episodes I would replace them with and honestly...I can't think of any! They're all pretty bad. Maybe Yesterday's Enterprise.

Most episodes that dealt especially with Worf, Troi or even just one crew member were kind of unimpressive. Data was one of the exceptions.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Sins of the Father is a pretty stupid episode as well for a 3D sampler. Then again, I hated most Worf centric episodes.

But I was trying to think of good episodes I would replace them with and honestly...I can't think of any! They're all pretty bad. Maybe Yesterday's Enterprise.

Hated Worf centric episodes? Those were third best!

1. Picard thinking or gambling the USS Enterprise out of certain doom
2. Riker showing flashes captainly competence and saving the USS enterprise from certain doom
3. Worf doing something badass like killing Duras

And then there are the really, really lame episodes like:

1. Anything Troi/(either)Crusher/Geordi/Data centric. They all suck equally. But they don't suck as bad as any episode that has:
2. Broccoli or Lwaxana
3. Ferengi

Basically, Star Trek should have stuck to things like wars with Romulans and Cardassians, wormholes, time travel, and new life forms. They should have stayed away from Data playing Mr. Dressup, Geordi being afraid to talk to women, Troi even opening her mouth (unless it for, you know), and Beverly having her super duper doctor conscience.
And Wesley? Why didn't he just come out of the closet?

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

But in terms of 'praised' TNG eps, can we all agree that The Inner Light is overrated?

Not only do I disagree with that statement, I would go as far to say 'The Inner Light' was one of the best television shows every aired, of any type.

That episode was better than half the movies, and if you had taken it outside of a Star Trek context, and just made the Enterprise space ship of the future 'x', the script could have been adapted into an awesome film.

Definitively not a Trek fan on the same level as most of you guys, but that episode is one of the most memorable shows I have ever watched.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Measure of a Man? Tapestry?

Yeah, I was thinking Tapestry also. Now if you are going to say that Inner Light is overrated, then Measure of a Man is a bit overrated too. Philosophically, it is very strong and the show rarely reached that level, but it's a court-room drama in leotards on Battle Bridge set and not very impressive for an HD sampler.

A lot of people hate the first season and early years but I felt like they actually tried to be a bit more daring and sci-fi like. The later Berman years were all bland. Another episode that might be good for an HD sampler is Peak Performance or maybe Relics.

I don't care much for TNG anymore but I would love it if DS9 received this type of treatment.

Speaking of Inner Light - that is actually the only episode of TNG that I can actually remember watching live on television. I remember it because I was a kid and I had just seen the Best of Both World's Part I for the first time (it was a rerun obviously) and the next week I turned on the TV to see Part II and I was all confused because the last time I saw Picard, he was captured by the Borg and so I thought he was having some kind of dream. I really thought for a good 10-15 minutes that The Inner Light was Part II of Best of Both Worlds and I was confused and angry.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by 4X4

And then there are the really, really lame episodes like:
2. Broccoli

Broccoli centric episodes were among the best in the series. Hollow Pursuits, and Realm of Fear are some of my episodes out of all of them.

Barclay was the normal dude among all these ridiculous ubermenches of the 24th century. He had his fears, was nervous about his job, had social anxieties, made mistakes, and was the only one who was seen using the Holodeck for what everybody else was secretly using it for (sex with his co-workers and beating up his bosses). He was the only realistic character in the whole damn series.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Broccoli centric episodes were among the best in the series. Hollow Pursuits, and Realm of Fear are some of my episodes out of all of them.

Barclay was the normal dude among all these ridiculous ubermenches of the 24th century. He had his fears, was nervous about his job, had social anxieties, made mistakes, and was the only one who was seen using the Holodeck for what everybody else was secretly using it for (sex with his co-workers and beating up his bosses). He was the only realistic character in the whole damn series.

What's realistic about a nervous, scared guy being in starfleet, which is the 24th century version of the military? In more than one episode they make it clear that it's difficult to even get accepted into Starfleet Academy, let alon to get through it, and then get posted on "the flagship". Sorry, it's not realistic, it's ######ed. It's awkward. It's like watching some hybrid of Frasier and The Wonder Years in space.

Barclay sucked. Barclay should have stayed on Earth and helped his mother cook 24th century cupcakes.

[Yeah_Baby]

See I'm torn on what Starfleet actually represents. Sometimes it's the military, others it's pretentious academics in space. I follow sfdebris reviews of Star Trek online and he always makes mention of Wolf 359 being a quasi 9/11 for the Federation. And frankly in terms of what happens on Deep Space Nine. I buy it.

And you can ague the merits of Barcley, but Schultz played him well.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by 4X4

What's realistic about a nervous, scared guy being in starfleet, which is the 24th century version of the military? In more than one episode they make it clear that it's difficult to even get accepted into Starfleet Academy, let alon to get through it, and then get posted on "the flagship". Sorry, it's not realistic, it's ######ed. It's awkward. It's like watching some hybrid of Frasier and The Wonder Years in space.

Barclay sucked. Barclay should have stayed on Earth and helped his mother cook 24th century cupcakes.

After the peace with the Klingons and Pre-Wolf 359, Starfleet turned into scientists in space and that's why Barclay was posted. Starfleet started making family ships and it was all about exploration and beige walls and pastel carpets.

I think it was mentioned in Hollow Pursuits that all the officers also questioned if Barclay was Enterprise material or not and the inference from the discussion was that his old captain polished up Barclay's resume in order to get him off his ship.

Regardless, Barclay was the one who saved the day and the entire ship on occasion because the other stuffed up officers weren't being as aware of their surroundings or cautious as Barclay was. He's still a genius. Should our society shun geniuses or those with aspergers or mild autism (probably what Barclay was meant to represent)? The whole point of Roddenberry's future is that humanity has risen above such things.

It took him dying before the writers could even break the rule that Roddenberry put in where Starfleet members were not allowed to have conflict with each other much less spend several scenes making fun of Barclay and denigrating him.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

You're crazy Esse

Clearly you skipped over Darmok!

Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra!

Actually, that is one of my favorite episodes.

To clarify my comments, when I said the show is bad, I think what I really mean that you can tell it was made 20 years ago. I have a nostalgic feeling about TNG that has built it up in my mind, so when I watched the entire series again over the course of a few weeks the flaws really crept to the surface.

In my mind, TNG was the best, followed by DS9. I never watched enough of any other series to make a solid evaluation if they were good or not. Once I am finished with BSG, I will go back and watch the rest of the series'.

[Yeah_Baby]

Darmok is great.


Deep Space Nine is a better than TNG over all. It tipped the Roddenberry box on it's head. But I grew up with TNG. It's the nostalgia. TNG on TV and Wrath of Khan wearing out on my VHS player.

[Flabbibulin]

People that refer to any of the "newer" series as being better than the Original are dead to me....

and you have a choice- "death by asphyxiation, or death by radiation poisoning!!!"



the person that guesses the episode with this quote get's a prize!

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

People that refer to any of the "newer" series as being better than the Original are dead to me....

and you have a choice- "death by asphyxiation, or death by radiation poisoning!!!"



the person that guesses the episode with this quote get's a prize!

My guess is you have a giant silicon nodule sitting on your desk, but really it is an egg belonging to the mother Horta.

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

My guess is you have a giant silicon nodule sitting on your desk, but really it is an egg belonging to the mother Horta.

Here's the prize!

Spoiler!

ps. super nerd trivia: "Devil in the Dark" was the Shat's favorite episode of Star Trek as his father died during filming and Leonard Nimoy and Deforest Kelley were very comforting to him for the duration of the production

[Yeah_Baby]

Threads like this should make you all amazed I have seen and touched more than one woman's breasts.

edit: I didn't know the super nerd trivia. Huzzah!

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Threads like this should make you all amazed I have seen and touched more than one woman's breasts.

edit: I didn't know the super nerd trivia. Huzzah!

So you had two mothers?

*badda bing*

[Flabbibulin]

uh oh

http://www.tmz.com/2012/01/31/star-t...-arrested-dui/

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

uh oh

http://www.tmz.com/2012/01/31/star-t...-arrested-dui/

?? I don't think he was suppose to be coming here was he?

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

uh oh

http://www.tmz.com/2012/01/31/star-t...-arrested-dui/

I would pay to see him testify in his own defense. That would be some kind of entertaining study into logic and philosophy.