Multiple "suspicious Deaths" close Hwy 2 at Claresholm bioth directions

[Redliner]

Originally Posted by pepper24

Fair point but if kids have a proper inner circle (parents, friends, siblings, coaches, church members etc.) then they learn that Hollywood is what it is...entertainment. It's unfortunate that too many kids are taught life via tv, internet, music etc. not by that inner circle. It's one of the biggest black eyes of current society in my books.

Be careful how much blame you throw at friends and family in a situation like this. This is a horrific tragedy, but the kid made the decision to do it himself. I understand that people are looking for answers and maybe it makes them more comfortable to be able to point fingers, but the kid's family had nothing to do with it. My parents know the shooter's family very well, and I went to high school with his older sister. They are all wonderful people who are struggling to understand how this happened just as much as anyone else. You can raise your kid perfectly, but at the end of the day they still have to make their own decisions and be responsible for their own actions, and in this case Derek's actions have largely made victims of his family members as well. No, they weren't shot, but the stigma of an event like this will follow them around for a long time - not to mention the psychological beating his parents are taking wondering where it all went wrong.

I don't know the friends at all, but the above statements may or may not apply to them as well. To the girl who apparently heard Derek threaten his ex and saw him push her out of a chair, why wouldn't you call the police and report that? I really don't think anyone believed Derek was capable of something like this, but maybe that phone call could have saved 4 lives.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Redliner

Be careful how much blame you throw at friends and family in a situation like this. This is a horrific tragedy, but the kid made the decision to do it himself. I understand that people are looking for answers and maybe it makes them more comfortable to point fingers, but the kid's family har nothing to do with it. My parents know the shooter's family very well, and I went to high school with his older sister. They are all wonderful people who are struggling to understand how this happened just as much as anyone else. You can raise your kid perfectly, but at the end of the day they still have to make their own decisions and be responsible for their own actions, and in this case Derek's actions have largely made victims of his family members as well. No, they weren't shot, but the stigma of an event like this will follow them around for a long time - not to mention the psychological beating his parents are taking wondering where it all went wrong.

I don't know the friends at all, but the above statements may or may not apply to them. To the girl who apparently heard Derek threaten his ex and saw him push her out of a chair, why wouldn't you call the police and report that? I really don't think anyone believed Derek was capable of something like this, but maybe that phone call could have saved 4 lives.

Do you think that calling police would have landed him in jail for pushing someone out of their chair? Or is there another reason how it could have prevented this from happening?

[Redliner]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Do you think that calling police would have landed him in jail for pushing someone out of their chair? Or is there another reason how it could have prevented this from happening?

That's not what I said. I obviously wasn't there to see the incident in question, but if it was serious enough to be a concern after the fact then it stands to reason that it could have been serious enough to justify a complaint for assault, or at least harassment. The guy probably doesn't go to jail over that but just being detained for questioning might have been enough to calm him down and give him some perspective.

The pushing incident aside, I would think that hearing the guy say to his ex that "You know this night isn't going to end well for you" would at least constitute uttering threats - especially if you knew it was coming from someone who apparently had a history of being obsessive and controlling with the person he was threatening.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to blame the friends. There is no doubt in my mind that they probably thought they were just witnessing the (possibly drunken) actions of a guy who wasn't dealing with a breakup very well and they never in a million years believed anyone was in any kind of real danger. I guess in retrospect you just start looking for anything that could have prevented this from happening. It really is horrible for everyone involved, and really difficult to get your head around when you know a little bit about the people involved.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Redliner

That's not what I said. I obviously wasn't there to see the incident in question, but if it was serious enough to be a concern after the fact then it stands to reason that it could have been serious enough to justify a complaint for assault, or at least harassment. The guy probably doesn't go to jail over that but just being detained for questioning might have been enough to calm him down and give him some perspective.

The pushing incident aside, I would think that hearing the guy say to his ex that "You know this night isn't going to end well for you" would at least constitute uttering threats - especially if you knew it was coming from someone who apparently had a history of being obsessive and controlling with the person he was threatening.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to blame the friends. There is no doubt in my mind that they probably thought they were just witnessing the (possibly drunken) actions of a guy who wasn't dealing with a breakup very well and they never in a million years believed anyone was in any kind of real danger. I guess in retrospect you just start looking for anything that could have prevented this from happening. It really is horrible for everyone involved, and really difficult to get your head around when you know a little bit about the people involved.

I agree with you. While calling the police may not have helped, it could have, and it WAS a reportable incident. It's not about placing blame, but in most circumstances where stuff goes terribly wrong, there are usually things that people could have done and didn't. Examining how the whole situation could have been prevented is important.

One of her friends mentions what they were thinking when they chose not to call the police:

“Last weekend, after he broke their window, he slammed her against the wall in his room and that’s when she told him to get out. He was supposed to move to Edmonton Thursday morning … that’s why we didn’t call the police after he pushed her at the Stone,” she added.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...2275759/page2/

[CaptainCrunch]

The guy was a creep a scumbag and a monster. He might have looked normal and talked normal but he was through and through a monster.

His violent actions towards this girl prior to the shootings and then the shootings showed that he felt that this girl was nothing more then property, and when she stood up to him and told him to f off he reacted in the only way they knew how.

I'm willing to bet that his parents wished they could have strangled the little ####### in his crib.

It wasn't the liquor or a flash that caused what he did. He had lots of time not to physically go after this girl, he had lots of time to think about what he was doing when he was chasing her down.

He had time to stop after killing the first innocent victim.

He died a coward, not out of regret or sadness, because for people like this, sorry he's not people he was a thing, he wanted people to see him as the tragic misunderstood victim.

The world is better off without him, the tragedy is he took three good people out with him and changed the life of another victim forever.

He would have been a hero if he realized he was a monster and went and got help, or if he realized that he couldn't have that girl and ate a bullet before he did something stupid.

[First Lady]

With all due respect CC ... I think your post would still be complete without the third paragraph.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'm willing to bet that his parents wished they could have strangled the little ####### in his crib.

Based on what I know of them, pretty safe to say this is not the case.

[Cowperson]

Dale said the woman is haunted by losing her friends and replaying the horrific events in her head.

“She remembers everything quite vividly and now she is trying to process that and she is really caught up in the intense emotions of it all,” he said

Read more: http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Su...#ixzz1hBUniRZw

Good news is she will probably be able to walk again in time.

Cowperson

[CaptainCrunch]

I was watching the news about her this morning, its tremendously sad.

She was shot in the shoulder, the stomach and the thigh, it sounds like the bullet to the stomach fragmented and gave her multiple dead spots.

She's gone through 3 surgeries with the last one being 8 hours, they expect that more are coming and she's going to be in the hospital for at least another month and they're unsure if the numb spots in her body are going to recover.

The reporter stated that a family spokesperson says she remembers the shooting vividly, and that she's crying all the time.

She's still on a breathing tube and her method of communication is writing on a board.

If anyone wants to see a christmas miracle she was shot three times and it sounds like she's going to recover physically.

Its going to take years for her to get over this mentally.

This shouldn't have happened, she didn't deserve this, her friends didn't deserve to die.

Bbut for the acts of one monster.

[Yeah_Baby]

The way CC is able to dehumanize people so easily, it's not wonder he is ex-military.

[CaptainCrunch]

I'm a simple guy Yeah Baby, there is nothing about what that kid did that was human, there was nothing sympathetic, there was no excuses, there is no redemption.

I'm not the bad guy here, I'm merely being honest.