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Old 12-19-2011, 08:23 AM   #61
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And yet the amount of actual change, and the direction it will take, remains unknown in many cases.
But at least we get different piece of crap losers. Maybe we get lucky in 2012 and nutjobs like the ones in Iran manage to kick it. Or (insert name) pass on as well.
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Old 12-19-2011, 08:26 AM   #62
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I was surprised to read that he was actually born in Russia and his birth name was Yuri Irsenevich Kim.
Yeah, the amazing story is the difference between his actual life story especially his child hood, and his real story

The truth is he was born in 1941, in Soviet Vyatskoy.

The propaganda, he was born on a mountain top in occupied Korea at a secret military camp set up by his father to lead the resistance against the Japanese. His birth was foretold by a swallow, when he was born a new star appeared in the heavans and a double rainbow showed up.

the truth, his father spent most of the war in Russia commanding a battalion of Korean and Chinese defectors, they didn't take part in the battle to liberate Korea.

The propaganda, his father lead a resistance group that drove the Japanese ruthlessly out of Korea.
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Old 12-19-2011, 09:02 AM   #63
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I can't wait until that country is eventually exposed to the realities of the rest of the world one day. It's amazing how much they've been lied to for half a century.

It's almost tragic the way these people are so brainwashed.

It's too bad the people don't truly know the real success of their neighbours to the south.
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Yeah, you got a free house and a video because you are cute...not because of Socialism.
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Old 12-19-2011, 09:27 AM   #65
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Does this mean I need to change my avatar?
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Old 12-19-2011, 09:41 AM   #66
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Does this mean I need to change my avatar?
What? I always thought your avatar was a crazy old chinese woman.
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Old 12-19-2011, 09:42 AM   #67
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Mourning Kim Il Sung in 1994




Mourning Kim Jong Il in 2011


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Old 12-19-2011, 09:49 AM   #68
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Just to add context to the above, the obvious grief and emotion at Stalin's funeral

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Old 12-19-2011, 10:02 AM   #69
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It's like they are bad acting crying. I am guessing if they don't pretend to be absolutely devastated, they will be murder death killed. That, or it is some sort of mass hysteria effect. Do they honestly think the outside world is that naive?

I have had close family members die, and I have not gotten that hysterical.

Weird society is weird.
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Mourning Kim Jong Il in 2011[/B]



I love how people call North Korea an atheist nation lol
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That mourning in Pyongyang is unreal. What a sight to see.
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It's like they are bad acting crying. I am guessing if they don't pretend to be absolutely devastated, they will be murder death killed. That, or it is some sort of mass hysteria effect. Do they honestly think the outside world is that naive?

I have had close family members die, and I have not gotten that hysterical.

Weird society is weird.
i think there is some context missing though Pylon. Remember that Kim the crazy was promoted as being born on a holy mountain top, sparrows predicted his birth, rainbows and stars appeared.

He was literally positioned as a living god. In school classrooms, teachers were positioned behind busts of Kim Jong Il to give the illusion that they were being taught by a god head.

Children are heavily indoctrinated right from the start, do some research into their smile training, North Korean children are trained on how to smile for hours a day.

This is literally the same as god dying to them, and there are no atheists in North Korea, they've all been heavily indoctrinated in a benevolant god figure who both takes care of them, loves them and punishes them.
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i think there is some context missing though Pylon. Remember that Kim the crazy was promoted as being born on a holy mountain top, sparrows predicted his birth, rainbows and stars appeared.

He was literally positioned as a living god. In school classrooms, teachers were positioned behind busts of Kim Jong Il to give the illusion that they were being taught by a god head.

Children are heavily indoctrinated right from the start, do some research into their smile training, North Korean children are trained on how to smile for hours a day.

This is literally the same as god dying to them, and there are no atheists in North Korea, they've all been heavily indoctrinated in a benevolant god figure who both takes care of them, loves them and punishes them.
When you look at some of them though, they stop, look around, almost to make sure they are doing it right, then continuing on. It just seems incredibly disingenuous to me.
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When you look at some of them though, they stop, look around, almost to make sure they are doing it right, then continuing on. It just seems incredibly disingenuous to me.
I agree.

It looks very staged to me. Like they are trying too hard and everyone is doing the same thing. When you see people in real mourning, it just looks less goofy.
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I can't wait until that country is eventually exposed to the realities of the rest of the world one day. It's amazing how much they've been lied to for half a century.

It's almost tragic the way these people are so brainwashed.

It's too bad the people don't truly know the real success of their neighbours to the south.
The night the Berlin Wall fell, stunned, rag-tag, East Germans staggered unbelieving through the glittering, neon-strewn and flush retail districts of West Berlin, past endless stores aglitter and stuffed with jewellry, clothing and technology . . . . . .

. . . . . and then they got angry as it started to occur to them how much they had been led down the proverbial garden path . . . .

A decade later, the Germans were still paying the bill of trying to normalize the East into a modern economy and Germany was called "the sick man of Europe." More than 20 years later, that's obviously started to change and Germany is the strong man of Europe again . . . .

The economic burden on South Korea should the North actually die a natural death would be something staggering as well.

The night the Berlin Wall was breached:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...660190,00.html

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The night the Berlin Wall fell, stunned, rag-tag, East Germans staggered unbelieving through the glittering, neon-strewn and flush retail districts of West Berlin, past endless stores aglitter and stuffed with jewellry, clothing and technology . . . . . .

. . . . . and then they got angry as it started to occur to them how much they had been led down the proverbial garden path . . . .

A decade later, the Germans were still paying the bill of trying to normalize the East into a modern economy and Germany was called "the sick man of Europe." More than 20 years later, that's obviously started to change and Germany is the strong man of Europe again . . . .

The economic burden on South Korea should the North actually die a natural death would be something staggering as well.

The night the Berlin Wall was breached:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...660190,00.html

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There's lots of really interesting things that happened when the walls fell, and the same thing will happen when the Korea's reunify, however reunification will only ever happen if china is removed from the equation, and the Army and Intelligent services are pacified, and the dynasty ends.

While the North Korean army is awesome in size, they're not a technology based army, and while their troops are the best fed in the country, they are still behind the South Korean army in terms of the individual Soldiers capability.

The NK special forces are vaunted, but that's because the Kim's were in love with the concept of infiltration, but I think that they would rank far behind the rest of the modern world in effectiveness and training.

The average NK soldier is encouraged not to be creative and to blindly follow his orders, the dicipline and training are incredibly brutal, and while the Force Multiplyer is expected to be between 3 and 5 to 1 in terms of killed to kill, I read that the NK kill multiplier has dropped to bellow 1 to 1, but that's what happens when you have disposible troops.

Going back to the drop of the wall, you have to remember that I was in the Military before the wall fell, I saw the Fulda Gap, which was expected to be the first point of contact between Soviet and American armor and infantry, and we all throught the Russians would be 10 feet tall and their tanks indestructible and there would be a fighting retreat all the way to the Atlantic. Years later I got to take a look at the incredibly cramped T-72 tank with the fuel line ringing the turret, the incredibly clumsy auto loader, and the terrible optices and aiming system, and I looked at a BMP (I think it was a BMP, it could have been a BRMD) and the exit door for the troops contained the diesal fuel tank and realized how wrong we had been about the Soviets for years.
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I can't wait until that country is eventually exposed to the realities of the rest of the world one day. It's amazing how much they've been lied to for half a century.

It's almost tragic the way these people are so brainwashed.

It's too bad the people don't truly know the real success of their neighbours to the south.
The most staggering statistic for me is this:

Average life expectancy for a South Korean male: 75.56 years

Average life expectancy for a North Korean male: 61.23 years

North Koreans will be shocked when they find out the greatest daily worry in South Korea is upgrading to the latest IPhone and not famine.
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