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Old 11-22-2011, 06:36 PM   #941
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I'm not sure what to make of that one. I doubt very much it was a calm, quiet scene, so it is entirely possible that the cops never even heard her, especially if the situation was chaotic. One also has to wonder WTF a pregnant woman is doing near a police line, knowing that something was about to happen.
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Old 11-22-2011, 06:37 PM   #942
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I don't know, I'm going to wait and see if there's some collaboration.

Buzzfeed isn't something that I take too seriously, I'd like to wait and see on this one, if true, its pretty horrible though.
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Old 11-22-2011, 06:42 PM   #943
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So will the pro-lifers be screaming to have the cop responsible charged with murder?
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Old 11-22-2011, 07:02 PM   #944
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#occupyChristmas?

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OTTAWA — Adbusters, the Vancouver-based magazine that inspired the worldwide Occupy movement, has a new target: Christmas.

Calling its campaign OccupyXmas, the anti-capitalist magazine is calling on consumers to buy nothing for Christmas this year.
Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Ne...#ixzz1eURjWfV7
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Old 11-22-2011, 07:18 PM   #945
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Throughout the occupy movement, I forgot it was these tards that started 'Buy Nothing Day'. Simple logic shows that just because cash doesn't exchange hands, doesn't mean you didn't buy anything that day. Each day I use electricity, natural gas, hydro and eat food. Their view is that just because I didn't go to the store that day, I didn't buy anything? If I pay by VISA does that count since my bank balance didn't change? If I bought a bottle of wine the day before and drank it on buy nothing day, does that still mean I'm with their movement? The whole day is flawed and is illogical.
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OTTAWA — Adbusters, the Vancouver-based magazine that inspired the worldwide Occupy movement, has a new target: Christmas.

Calling its campaign OccupyXmas, the anti-capitalist magazine is calling on consumers to buy nothing for Christmas this year.

Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Ne...#ixzz1eURjWfV7
These guys are geniuses! Let's try to convince consumers to furthur damage an already fragile economy while devasting dozens or hundreds of businesses who rely on the Christmas season, not to mention the loss of thousands of jobs that would be lost as a result!

What universe do these people live in?
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Old 11-22-2011, 07:53 PM   #947
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I'm just gonna throw this out there...but if you're prego, I don't know if being in a potentially volatile protest movement is the best thing for you to be doing (or for your baby).
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Old 11-22-2011, 07:56 PM   #948
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Ok blame the pregnant woman for having poor choices of where she goes.

So should we judge women who are raped by what they were wearing?

sarcasm off
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Old 11-22-2011, 07:59 PM   #949
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Seattle Times talked to the pregnant woman's former foster mom, who says the girl is exaggerating the situation:

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Fox's former foster mother, Lark Stebbins, said Fox called her from Harborview after one recent protest but did not mention she was pregnant.
Stebbins said Fox, whom she parented for 10 years, has a pattern of exaggeration. "My daughter is a compulsive liar," Stebbins said. "She's a wannabe drama queen."

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Old 11-22-2011, 08:05 PM   #950
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lol. I think we were all waiting for the other shoe to drop.

I read that story, and found myself questioning if it was true. It seems several people here got the same vibe.
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Old 11-22-2011, 08:17 PM   #951
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lol. I think we were all waiting for the other shoe to drop.

I read that story, and found myself questioning if it was true. It seems several people here got the same vibe.
Totally got that vibe too considering the big news outlets hadn't jumped all over something like this. We'll see soon enough... the truth always comes out eventually.
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Honestly I have my doubts

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In an interview Tuesday at the Occupy Seattle encampment on Capitol Hill, Fox said she had three ultrasound pictures of her fetus in her tent, but declined to show them to reporters.
She also said she did not plan to pick up medical records at Harborview Medical Center that could document the miscarriage until after a planned memorial service Saturday, and she declined to sign a waiver allowing reporters to obtain the documents independently. She said the baby was a girl, to be named Miracle.
"I have some stuff to do today," said Fox, who described herself as a homeless former foster child. "I have to get some stuff done."
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In September, Fox told police she was three months pregnant when officers confronted her and five others on a criminal trespass complaint at a Seattle City Light facility, according to a police report obtained by KIRO FM. The report described Fox as crying and clutching her stomach at the scene before being transported to Harborview.
When confronted by a KIRO reporter on Tuesday, Fox said police must have misheard her saying she was one month pregnant.
In an interview with The Seattle Times, Fox said Harborview medical staff, whom she could not name, described the fetus as healthy during treatment after the Tuesday protest.
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Very sad, I would put the majority of the blame on the woman.
So, you're saying that police violence is normal and people should act accordingly?

You think that pregnant women should not go anywhere near the police, because of the risk of violence towards non-violent demonstrators?

That kicking people in the stomach and pepper spraying them is standard police procedure, even though the targets are non-violent themselves?

And for the guy calling these protest volatile, these things have been going on for two months now in several cities. Where is the violence? At worst, it's been spray painting and setting up bonfires. The US demonstrations have been quite remarkably non-violent, considering the amount of people involved.
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Ok blame the pregnant woman for having poor choices of where she goes.

So should we judge women who are raped by what they were wearing?
Yes.

No.

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So, you're saying that police violence is normal and people should act accordingly?

You think that pregnant women should not go anywhere near the police, because of the risk of violence towards non-violent demonstrators?

That kicking people in the stomach and pepper spraying them is standard police procedure, even though the targets are non-violent themselves?

And for the guy calling these protest volatile, these things have been going on for two months now in several cities. Where is the violence? At worst, it's been spray painting and setting up bonfires. The US demonstrations have been quite remarkably non-violent, considering the amount of people involved.
When you attempt to push your way through a police line, yes it is and it should be.
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So, you're saying that police violence is normal and people should act accordingly?

You think that pregnant women should not go anywhere near the police, because of the risk of violence towards non-violent demonstrators?

That kicking people in the stomach and pepper spraying them is standard police procedure, even though the targets are non-violent themselves?

And for the guy calling these protest volatile, these things have been going on for two months now in several cities. Where is the violence? At worst, it's been spray painting and setting up bonfires. The US demonstrations have been quite remarkably non-violent, considering the amount of people involved.
The kicking thing is in doubt as is the bike thing, there are no witnesses to back up that story. The pepper spraying is going to happen when you rush the police line, at that point you go from non violent to potentially dangerous in the eyes of any cop.

And you forgot about cops getting liquids into their face such as cleaning products. While for the most part these have been non violent, there have been episodes where an old lady was tossed down a set of stairs when she tried to access her bank in Oakland by the occupyers, there have been stabbings and attacks in the OWS site.

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Pretty funny line in an editorial in the LA Times today under the headling "Buying Off Occupy LA?" :

If the Occupy L.A. protesters will just leave their tent city at City Hall, officials promise to supply them with offices. And a farm. And a place to live, for the homeless demonstrators who have drifted over to the encampment from skid row. And, er, how about a pony? Would you guys leave if we gave you a pony?

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The kicking thing is in doubt as is the bike thing, there are no witnesses to back up that story.
That's a completely different argument, and irrelevant to the original claim. I admit that there migh not have been a pregnancy, but it's different from claiming that if she was pregnant she was somehow to blame.

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The pepper spraying is going to happen when you rush the police line, at that point you go from non violent to potentially dangerous in the eyes of any cop.

And you forgot about cops getting liquids into their face such as cleaning products.
Rushed the police line? Reference please, where have the demonstrators done this?

Liquids on their face? oo-kay... But please reference, preferably in that particular demonstration?

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While for the most part these have been non violent, there have been episodes where an old lady was tossed down a set of stairs when she tried to access her bank in Oakland by the occupyers
Something to back this up? I know a woman fell down the stairs, but was someone charged or is there a video that shows what happened? Or are you perhaps just assuming, when we might just as well be talking about an accident?

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Give me some examples?

Even if you don't, you have to remember that there have been a lot of people in a lot of places for a long time. A few crimes happening in that time frame in the some places is completely irrelevant to the movement in whole.

Your argument seems basicly to be that if a student stabs someone in a school, it's okay for the police to rush the school in riot gear and pepper gas anyone who protests.
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