#occupy<insertlocalehere>

[Muta]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

While not disagreeing with most of your post I do have to point out that my comfortable lifestyle has nothing to do with the invasion of Iraq, I, and every one else would be exactly the same or better off had the US not invaded Iraq.
I personally think the invasion of Iraq was an abhorant, pointless and anything but heroic, not to disparage individual soldiers personal bravery.

In my opinion, the costly (and unnecessary) Iraq war, coupled with the real estate bubble that was growing unsustainably were the two contributing factors to the 2008 economic collapse.

I don't think Ozy was lumping soldier bravery into his message. That's definitely not the issue here. Some of the points the soldiers here are making at these protests are definitely legitimate concerns, though.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

You've got to be kidding me . . . You're going to disparage Iraq war veterans because they support the protests? These guys put their lives on the line so people like you can live comfortably, and that's what you're going to brand them with? You think they're dirty hippies with no sense of bravery for doing what they did? The least they can do is exercise their right to free speech, and you paint them with an incredibly negative brush.

This thread is finished. Just a classless, complete lack of respect. Holy smokes.

I guess we know what CaptainCrunch is now.

CP's hipster hippy hipalot...

[c.t.ner]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

You've got to be kidding me . . . You're going to disparage Iraq war veterans because they support the protests? These guys put their lives on the line so people like you can live comfortably, and that's what you're going to brand them with? You think they're dirty hippies with no sense of bravery for doing what they did? The least they can do is exercise their right to free speech, and you paint them with an incredibly negative brush.

This thread is finished. Just a classless, complete lack of respect. Holy smokes.

Umm, I may have missed something but I interpreted the original post as being sarcastic. I know that there wasn't any green text on it, but I interpreted it as mocking the posts before saying that only dead-beat hippies were supporting Occupy WallMart.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/11/0...ed-occupy.html

Uh oh. Looks like more dirty hippies siding with the dirty hippies.

Heroes my ass!

I like the way the author really works to make it seem like the right of these soldiers, and other protesters, to express themselves is being infringed. There are police separating protesters from the entry to the NYSE? Wow! What a stunning revelation, and very necessary to the article.

Returning soldiers get treated terribly. The wounded warrior project and other initiatives are helping but the government really needs to step up and take much more responsibility. I hope that point continues to be made loudly. The 'were protecting the Constitution' argument I can do without, especially considering that these protesters have been granted an unparalleled level of ability to express themselves.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by woob

Yes, valo. We know you don't support the movement as a whole (just some of the finer points). Don't make me use the same beating a dead horse image I did on Cow!

Perhaps you should make one for me to take down to Zuccotti. I haven't heard an original thought out of this movement in over a month.

[woob]

Originally Posted by valo403

Perhaps you should make one for me to take down to Zuccotti. I haven't heard an original thought out of this movement in over a month.

Uh huh.

[troutman]

Triumph Visits Occupy Wall Street

Triumph the Insult Comic Dog gives it to bankers, protestors and a bull.

[Calgaryborn]

The New York protesters have been linked to a group formally know as "ACORN". Apparently they started the ball going like a good community organizer would:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/03...after-exposed/

"ACORN" was pretty wide spread before they went bankrupt due to the loss of government funding. I wonder if they have had a part in other protests being organized. I also wonder who funds them.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/11/0...ed-occupy.html

Uh oh. Looks like more dirty hippies siding with the dirty hippies.

Heroes my ass!

You know, when a country previously used enlistment practices that targeted the poor, disenfranchised and those who generally didn't have a lot of options in life to sign up as fodder for their war, it should be unsurprising that those now respected veterans are willing to join up with rallies along side the others who feel disenfranchised and lacking in options.

Honestly, I wish the movement could get itself together in some manner that looks like it could have a real impact. There are problems that are really worth fighting against and aspects of governance being terribly corrupted that are really worth fighting for. So much frustration is justified, but it's hard to see how a difference will be made in a system that is so broken.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

The New York protesters have been linked to a group formally know as "ACORN". Apparently they started the ball going like a good community organizer would:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/03...after-exposed/

"ACORN" was pretty wide spread before they went bankrupt due to the loss of government funding. I wonder if they have had a part in other protests being organized. I also wonder who funds them.

I'm trying to figure out why a political action group being involved in political action is newsworthy.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

The New York protesters have been linked to a group formally know as "ACORN". Apparently they started the ball going like a good community organizer would:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/03...after-exposed/

"ACORN" was pretty wide spread before they went bankrupt due to the loss of government funding. I wonder if they have had a part in other protests being organized. I also wonder who funds them.

Hard to give the article a lot of credibility. It's written like an attack piece with an agenda rather than an even moderately objective bit of reporting.

[Devils'Advocate]

The thing is..... I firmly believe that we need to address the growing gap between the rich and the poor, the growing control of government by corporate interests, democracy become a plutocracy... but I have a job that I have to be at. If someone were to give me three months salary, I'd gladly take the three months off of work to protest with the #occupiers. But most of us who side with the general issues cited by the #occupiers don't have the option to protest with them. So who does end up down there? The poor, generally unemployed and under-educated... which doesn't put a good face on the movement.

Someone a while back said that the movement should take this to the political arena and vote for whichever party stands for limiting lobbiest control of government, removing corporate control of the government agenda, changing policies so that the poor have better opportunities to break out of the cycle of poverty. However, with corporations giving more and more to political parties, particularly in the United States where the recent Supreme Court ruling stated that corporations should not be limited in their political donations, the elections are now a propoganda circus. The fight between turd sandwich and the giant ###### is not for votes, but rather for whomever can raise the most money. I think one reason that voting is down in North America is because people don't believe that there is a candidate out there that represents their interests.

[woob]

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by valo403

I'm trying to figure out why a political action group being involved in political action is newsworthy.

Well it is better than the communist party being the principle organizer which is what it looked like in the beginning.

ACORN is the same organization that worked with government money to get Obama and other Democrats elected in 2006. ACORN also held sit-ins and protests at banks and even bankers homes if they were known to obstruct the poor from getting housing loans.They lost Federal government funding due to some investigative reporting that showed a disregard for law and ethics at several of their field offices. Because of the loss of funding they went bankrupt.

ACORN's reemergence might have legal complications if they are somehow being publically funded. They also will probably factor in this next election cycle.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Hard to give the article a lot of credibility. It's written like an attack piece with an agenda rather than an even moderately objective bit of reporting.

ACORN is a corrupt organization. Even the Democrats joined with the Republicans to defund both ACORN and any organization working with them. They became that big of a political liability.

No doubt the article presumes that ACORN is a bad character and needs to be watched: They are!

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Well it is better than the communist party being the principle organizer which is what it looked like in the beginning.

ACORN is the same organization that worked with government money to get Obama and other Democrats elected in 2006. ACORN also held sit-ins and protests at banks and even bankers homes if they were known to obstruct the poor from getting housing loans.They lost Federal government funding due to some investigative reporting that showed a disregard for law and ethics at several of their field offices. Because of the loss of funding they went bankrupt.

ACORN's reemergence might have legal complications if they are somehow being publically funded. They also will probably factor in this next election cycle.

More shocking revelations there. There will be legal ramifications if something illegal is found??? A political action group will factor into a political election????

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by valo403

More shocking revelations there. There will be legal ramifications if something illegal is found??? A political action group will factor into a political election????

Didn't know you were looking for "shock value". I thought it was interesting who started this political protest. I also think ACORN is worth watching.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Didn't know you were looking for "shock value". I thought it was interesting who started this political protest. I also think ACORN is worth watching.

Well if we're looking for who started it you should probably be looking at AdBusters.

I'm still trying to figure out what is newsworthy about NYCC's involvement. They're a political action group, to the surprise of precisely nobody they are involved in a political action.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by valo403

These companies are paying precisely what they are obligated to pay, they aren't getting away with anything, unless of course your argument is that the IRS isn't auditing these companies. There are many ways to operate a company so a to reduce your tax burden, just as individuals can reduce their tax burden, there's nothing wrong with the fact that these companies have utilized those available options. That you can't comprehend these options is your issue.

As my old boss woud say "tax evasion is illegal, tax avoidance is our right".

And I absolutely agree. If there is some sort of loophole where one can legally save on taxes, as a manager of a private business, it is your job to exploit it. Your mandate is to maximize company profits. It is up to the government to close any loopholes it finds.

[c.t.ner]

Originally Posted by valo403

Well if we're looking for who started it you should probably be looking at AdBusters.

Bingo. If anyone wants to point fingers at who started it, it was Adbusters (oddly enough a Vancouver based magazine).

http://www.adbusters.org/campaigns/occupywallstreet

They've had numerous campaigns for years, stuff like Buy Nothing Day, but I don't think they even had a clue what would happen with OWS would catch on. I digress.

But It doesn't surprise me that a political group would invest time, money and effort in to the Occupy Wallstreet and it's left leaning message. Just like it doesn't surprise me that a right-leaning group would invest time, money and effort in to the Tea Party movement.