Official CP Election Day Thread - Do Not Post Results Until 8pm Mountain Time.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

Another cold hard fact about big business.....if the economic environment isn't profitable (ie they are taxed too high) they leave. Corporations have responsibilities to shareholders first......everything else second.

I can commend the NDP for thinking that money for their social programs will come out of Alberta. But to think that revenue is sustainable is ridiculous IMO.

Just look at Nike's track record.

Hopping from one developing country to another because they wont pay them much more than a couple dollars a day.

[Go4Gold]

What are the Conservatives going to do in this government? From what I see this party will self destruct, here's why. This is still a 2 sided party, Reform and PC. Harper will have to walk a tight rope to make anything work within his party and with the other Federal parties. Another election will be held in summer of 2007 IMO. Very few seats changed from the LIBs to the CONs, LIBs lost seats to the NDP and the CONs gained in Quebec. I hope I'm wrong, not because I'm a CONs, but lets get back to running this country, and a minority government (any party)is actually good for the people more than the large CORPs.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Could handle some tax hikes and take it out of their profits? In an ideal world, yes.

Would they? Heck no. We see all the time what a small jump in oil prices does to the price at the pump. Oil companies could stand to take it out of their profits, but do they? NO.

How about when the Interest rate goes down. Banks could keep their rate up and take it out of their profits, but do they? NO.

Every year, you see companies who make $500 million one year and $450 million the next year suddenly have layoffs because they aren't as profitable anymore. Can't they just take that out of their profits? NO.

Welcome to the real world. They are out for every cent of profit they can make. To deny it is ridiculous. I don't like it.. I hate it even. Too much profit is just a sign of greed.... but it's reality.

When did I deny this? Did you even read my posts? I basically said the same thing as you. I completely agree with your entire post, however I don't think we should except that as reality. My point was in response to the poster who said the NDP are morons for not kissing ass to corporations like you have described. If a corporation is being greedy and a party stands up to them, that party is not morons. Our complaints should be with the corporation, not the people trying to stand up for what's right.

edit: I also think it's important to have a good balance. I'm not trying to suggest that all corporations are bad and we should be looking to fight them etc.
Just wanna have a government that will create an environment for them to prosper in cooperation with the average citizen, not at the expense of those citizens.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Flame On

That's fine, but he wasn't talking about that at all. He was essentially critiquing his speech and getting it wrong.

You are NOT one to call anyone else a pathetic poster. I was critiquing Dithers himself. He proved himself, in two elections and one government, to be a complete slimeball.

He is stepping down from the post Prime Minister. His career as a politician is OVER....or it will be when they have a leadership race. SO yes, he should have been talking about his country and not his party.

[troutman]

A few Green results:

Percentage nationally: 4.5%
Number of votes: 665,940

Best province: Alberta, 6.6%
Best riding (percentage): Bruce--Grey--Owen Sound, 12.9%
Best riding (number of votes): Ottawa Centre, 6,766 votes


Best riding percentage-wise in:

• Newfoundland and Labrador: Random--Burin--St. George's, 1.4%
• Prince Edward Island: Egmont, 5.2%
• Nova Scotia: Halifax, 5.2%
• New Brunswick: Madawaska--Restigouche, 3.3%
• Quebec: Westmount--Ville-Marie, 8.3%
• Ontario: Bruce--Grey--Owen Sound, 12.9%
• Manitoba: Winnipeg Centre, 7.0%
• Saskatchewan: Souris--Moose Mountain, 5.2%
• Alberta: Calgary Centre-North, 11.8%
• British Columbia: British Columbia Southern Interior, 11.3%
• Territories: Nunavut, 5.9%

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by HOZ

You are NOT one to call anyone else a pathetic poster. I was critiquing Dithers himself. He proved himself, in two elections and one government, to be a complete slimeball.

He is stepping down from the post Prime Minister. His career as a politician is OVER....or it will be when they have a leadership race. SO yes, he should have been talking about his country and not his party.

Yes I am. No you weren't. In your opinion. Correct (!). No it isn't. No he shouldn't.

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by troutman

A few Green results:

Percentage nationally: 4.5%
Number of votes: 665,940

Best province: Alberta, 6.6%
Best riding (percentage): Bruce--Grey--Owen Sound, 12.9%
Best riding (number of votes): Ottawa Centre, 6,766 votes


Best riding percentage-wise in:

• Newfoundland and Labrador: Random--Burin--St. George's, 1.4%
• Prince Edward Island: Egmont, 5.2%
• Nova Scotia: Halifax, 5.2%
• New Brunswick: Madawaska--Restigouche, 3.3%
• Quebec: Westmount--Ville-Marie, 8.3%
• Ontario: Bruce--Grey--Owen Sound, 12.9%
• Manitoba: Winnipeg Centre, 7.0%
• Saskatchewan: Souris--Moose Mountain, 5.2%
• Alberta: Calgary Centre-North, 11.8%
• British Columbia: British Columbia Southern Interior, 11.3%
• Territories: Nunavut, 5.9%

Thanks Troutman, do you know nationally if thats up in terms of total votes from last election?

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

When did I deny this? Did you even read my posts? I basically said the same thing as you.

Not really. You said that view was a simplistic view of economics and implied that it isn't the real world. It IS the real world, and many that are against corporate tax cuts, want to tax the heck out of companies, etc just don't understand it.

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

If a corporation is being greedy and a party stands up to them, that party is not morons. Our complaints should be with the corporation, not the people trying to stand up for what's right.

It's one thing for a party to stand up to the corporation... it's something totally different to deny or even consider the results of their actions.

In today's global economy, standing up to a corporation just makes it all the more likely that the company will move. We've seen corporate head offices move from Toronto to Calgary. What's stopping them from moving to Houston or anywhere else? Look to Paul Martin and CSL as an example...

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Just wanna have a government that will create an environment for them to prosper in cooperation with the average citizen, not at the expense of those citizens.

I agree whole-heartedly. Unfortunately, we have to factor in what other countries in the world are doing. If they are making it more attractive for the companies to move there, we have to do something to make them want to stay. They won't do it on their own.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Flame On

Thanks Troutman, do you know nationally if thats up in terms of total votes from last election?

In 2004, the Green party won 582,247 votes, or 4.3% of the total.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Not really. You said that view was a simplistic view of economics and implied that it isn't the real world. It IS the real world, and many that are against corporate tax cuts, want to tax the heck out of companies, etc just don't understand it.

I certainly didn't mean to imply it isn't real. If I came across like that, I didn't mean to. I know it's very real and should be considered strongly.
What I think is a simplistic view is to completly ignore the moral side of the equation and do anything posible to please corporations. It's the black and white view of the issue that I find simplistic.

It's one thing for a party to stand up to the corporation... it's something totally different to deny or even consider the results of their actions.

In today's global economy, standing up to a corporation just makes it all the more likely that the company will move. We've seen corporate head offices move from Toronto to Calgary. What's stopping them from moving to Houston or anywhere else? Look to Paul Martin and CSL as an example...

Again, I'm not denying this. I AGREE WITH THIS!!!!!
I'm only trying to stress a balance somewhere in the middle. It is stupid to stand up to corporations too strongly in a way that will push them away from our economy... however it is also stupid to let them do anything they want because we're so scared of losing them.
I think it's simplistic view to go too far to either side. Careful comprimises need to be made that FAIRLY tax corporations without handcuffing them into leaving our markets.
It's also very important to consider the benefits our markets provide to these companies. Would a major oil and gas firm really want to move away from somewhere like Alberta? Being in a market like this creates/saves a ton of money for them and they likely aren't eager to leave it. Situations can/should be created that generate tax money and benefit the companies/workers at the same time.