Federal gun smuggling

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Azure

Again, if the War on Drugs taught us anything, it is that spending billions on prohibition is generally a waste of money.

I can't believe that you don't see that.

Perhaps because I grew up in a country with strict gun control and a low level of gun ownership and very few people getting shot and then moved next door to a country with vast numbers of gun owners and little gun control and equally vast numbers of people getting shot, call me a fool but I see a coralation, especially as through most of my life the english have been way, way more randomly violent than yanks.

Also because you can draw no corralation between guns and addictive substances what so ever, no one is addicted to guns and if you ban them very few people would, after the initial NRA outrage, give a crap.

[Azure]

And again, it would take decades upon decades before any level of extreme gun control would start to make a difference in the US, in terms of removing ALL firearms from the population, IF it actually works, and you would end up spending billions if not trillions of dollars in the process.

I'm not sure how you could justify that.

The US has spent a few trillion on the war on drugs to no avail.

They would be better off investing that money in social programs designed at helping people get out of poverty.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Azure

And again, it would take decades upon decades before any level of extreme gun control would start to make a difference in the US, in terms of removing ALL firearms from the population, IF it actually works, and you would end up spending billions if not trillions of dollars in the process.

I'm not sure how you could justify that.

The US has spent a few trillion on the war on drugs to no avail.

They would be better off investing that money in social programs designed at helping people get out of poverty.

It would take decades but it wouldn't cost much of anything, just ban the production, importation and sale of new guns, eventually in the normal course of policing and wear and tear the supply of guns would be reduced, very quickly at first, then as the numbers dropped more and more slowly.
A simple gun use law that would take away any hand gun being improperly used, owner drunk or firing in the air, kid bringing improperly stored gun to school etc would help as well.

Unlike drugs guns are one thing that the goverment can completely control the production of, the illegal making of guns is almost impossible on anything other than a tiny scale which would also make them expensive.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

The American government has been selling guns to an organized crime family in a nieghboring country with interests on both sides of the border. What was it 2 weeks ago that same government assassinated an American citizen on foreign soil.

If the intent of the framers of the constitution was to allow for an armed citizenry as a buffer against a corrupt government I would suggest that that cause still has merit today.

Pure gold!

Keep 'em coming cb!

[THE SCUD]

Can't wait for America to enact gun control. It's only a matter of time before they strip that stupid amendment out of the Constitution.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by THE SCUD

Can't wait for America to enact gun control. It's only a matter of time before they strip that stupid amendment out of the Constitution.

....in your dreams..

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

Pure gold!

Keep 'em coming cb!

Obama now has a secret death panel that decides if an American is to be put on the kill list:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...79475C20111005

But in Obama's defence he doesn't allow waterboarding.

[Rockin' Flames]

Just browsed through this thread and had a couple of comments.

If you decide to ban guns that's not going to do anything in Mexico when they still have car bombs, gernades, etc. Those aren't sold ini any gun store I'm aware of.

If you legalize the drugs in the US that will just make the drug cartels in the US stronger because it'll be easier for them to make their sales and the violence between the drug cartels will just continue to escalate.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Rockin' Flames

Just browsed through this thread and had a couple of comments.

If you decide to ban guns that's not going to do anything in Mexico when they still have car bombs, gernades, etc. Those aren't sold ini any gun store I'm aware of.

If you legalize the drugs in the US that will just make the drug cartels in the US stronger because it'll be easier for them to make their sales and the violence between the drug cartels will just continue to escalate.

One of the main tenants of legalized drugs laws would be that a legal product produced by legitimate companies would have a drastically cheaper product that anything that would make sense to make or import illegally. It would be the same as tobacco or alcohol.

It's not like you see increased gang wars now over the sale of illegal booze compared to the prohibition era.

Just for the record I am pretty much solidly against the legalization of any (more) drugs, but your argument is not based on any historical evidence that i am aware of.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

The American government has been selling guns to an organized crime family in a nieghboring country with interests on both sides of the border. What was it 2 weeks ago that same government assassinated an American citizen on foreign soil.

If the intent of the framers of the constitution was to allow for an armed citizenry as a buffer against a corrupt government I would suggest that that cause still has merit today.

I believe this message would be correct for every decade of american history. Just change location of where the guns are being sold.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

I believe this message would be correct for every decade of american history. Just change location of where the guns are being sold.

Of course you're 100% correct, yet for Cb and 'true believers' like him, Obama is the devil incarnate.

I wonder why that is?

[afc wimbledon]

I would really like to know how owning a gun protects you against a drone strike, perchance Chairman Obama does decide to come into the open.?

[Rockin' Flames]

Originally Posted by Rathji

One of the main tenants of legalized drugs laws would be that a legal product produced by legitimate companies would have a drastically cheaper product that anything that would make sense to make or import illegally. It would be the same as tobacco or alcohol.

It's not like you see increased gang wars now over the sale of illegal booze compared to the prohibition era.

Just for the record I am pretty much solidly against the legalization of any (more) drugs, but your argument is not based on any historical evidence that i am aware of.

Umm...I gave my opinion. I wasn't away that I needed to provide historical evidence for an opinion.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Rockin' Flames

Umm...I gave my opinion. I wasn't away that I needed to provide historical evidence for an opinion.

Oh, ok.

You are just plain wrong then.

Have a nice day.

[Rockin' Flames]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Oh, ok.

You are just plain wrong then.

Have a nice day.

Oh thanks for that I'm so glad that the great Rathji who knows everything for a fact could tell me I'm wrong.

I might be wrong but I still disagree with you.

Have a nice day to you too.

[mikey_the_redneck]

BUMP

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_16...n-regulations/

The "side benefit" of Fast and Furious is revealed. This is an underhanded attack on the 2nd amendment. Eric Holder and Obama should be held accountable. (Yeah right)

"Documents obtained by CBS News show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) discussed using their covert operation "Fast and Furious" to argue for controversial new rules about gun sales."

"In Fast and Furious, ATF secretly encouraged gun dealers to sell to suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels to go after the "big fish." But ATF whistleblowers told CBS News and Congress it was a dangerous practice called "gunwalking," and it put thousands of weapons on the street. Many were used in violent crimes in Mexico. Two were found at the murder scene of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.

ATF officials didn't intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons, but emails show they discussed using the sales, including sales encouraged by ATF, to justify a new gun regulation called "Demand Letter 3". That would require some U.S. gun shops to report the sale of multiple rifles or "long guns." Demand Letter 3 was so named because it would be the third ATF program demanding gun dealers report tracing information."

[THE SCUD]

Good to hear smart people are working behind the scenes to enact gun control in America, just like I said a few months ago. Too bad it has resulted in some deaths, but if you're going to make an omelette, you've got to break a few eggs, eh?

Looking forward to the day when it's reasonably impossible for an American to buy a gun.

Man I can't wait to see Mikey's head explode.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by THE SCUD

Good to hear smart people are working behind the scenes to enact gun control in America, just like I said a few months ago. Too bad it has resulted in some deaths, but if you're going to make an omelette, you've got to break a few eggs, eh?

Looking forward to the day when it's reasonably impossible for an American to buy a gun.

Love those "smart people" trying to undermine constitutional rights.....

You'll grow old, die and guns will still be here, thankfully.

[THE SCUD]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Love those "smart people" trying to undermine constitutional rights.....

You'll grow old, die and guns will still be here, thankfully.

The constitutional right to bear arms is out-dated and unneeded. I am all for it being undermined and removed by smart people.

Also Mikey, you live in Lethbridge, why do you care about American politics and guns so much? You're a rural Albertan who's only likely interface with America is crossing at Coutts to buy cheap smokes, booze and fill up you 1986 F-150. Why such an Ameri-boner?

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Why do so many people in the US think the founding fathers were 100% correct on all issues, and as such the constitution is gospel and should never be changed.

Especially in the context that the foudning fathers were slave owners who still included the phrase "All men are created equal" (were they winking at each other at this point?), and that the constitution has been changed 27 times, including that second ammendment that included the whole "Bear arms" tidbit.