RIM Cuts 2000 Jobs

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by HelloHockeyFans

Please enlighten! I was driving and probably missed a bunch of details...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_...et_share_by_OS

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by darklord700

If this is a O&G stock, I'll bet on it. Tech stocks are much more volatile but I'm willing to be a couple large on the stock being oversold at the moment.

O&G stocks can enter downward spirals and never recover too, even in times of high oil prices. Two examples off the top of my head, Opti, just bought out of bankruptcy by the Chinese for ~20 cents per share, all time high around $25/share.

Another is Compton Petroleum. Current share price of $0.11, all time high of ~$18, took a big hit in 2008 and have been going down hill ever since.

Edited to add: Compton has announced a reverse 200:1 split with their fundraising.

[Russic]

RIM confuses me. I've used them and I just don't understand the appeal. Truthfully one of the best ever explanations came from this thread, and essentially that was just from the IT perspective that it doesn't do a whole lot.

I prefer Apple and I totally get android, but RIM is a curious addition. Somebody compared them to Apple in the 90's and I think it's a fantastic comparison. Little direction, too many products that don't do anything well, and a pocket of people who are fiercely loyal.

IMO RIM just needs to write out the top 3 things they do and spend the next year focusing on that. Don't try to be iPhone and don't try to be Android... just focus on being a sturdy, dependable work machine and evolve from there.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

O&G stocks can enter downward spirals and never recover too, even in times of high oil prices. Two examples off the top of my head, Opti, just bought out of bankruptcy by the Chinese for ~20 cents per share, all time high around $25/share.

Another is Compton Petroleum. Current share price of $0.11, all time high of ~$18, took a big hit in 2008 and have been going down hill ever since.

Edited to add: Compton has announced a reverse 200:1 split with their fundraising.

Opti was run by the most arrogant people I have ever met.

Both are my clients

[PeteLFan]

Other then BBM blackberry was awful. Going an iPhone was best choice ever.

Playbook is junk as well, they lack innovation and just rested instead of trying to stay ahead. With iMessage now being launched, BBM is going down the toilet as well.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Opti was run by the most arrogant people I have ever met.

Both are my clients

Are you a bankruptcy trustee?

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Are you a bankruptcy trustee?

Nah, I'm the Grim Reaper

[Titan]

Originally Posted by troutman

Why? Are you a man-whore?

Ironic the lawyer saying this, no?

[tjinaz]

RIM relied on corporations having to buy their proprietary Blackberry enterprise servers and pay for all their support and software and extortion level fees, etc. Corporations have shifted to allowing their employees use what devices they want (ios, android), and using all the cheaper solutions out there with Linux or Microsoft Exchange do everything.

Blackberry is dead meat. There is no way they can recover. Nobody is going to make apps for a 3rd proprietary platform. If you don't have the apps, you can never compete. Doesn't help that they make it almost impossible for anyone to become an app developer. There was a letter from a prospective app developer in Waterloo who complained that to even get the dev kit, he needed to pay $200 and get a public notary to prove his identity. After that, the dev kit had no complete tools, they were just libraries he had to put together himself. If you develop for IOS and Android, you just jump right into it without any barriers.

The only company to ever pull this off was apple and that was because of a fanatical fan base and even they had to go to a different product to succeed. Blackberry by being so proprietary slit their own throat. No app development and the outrageously high support costs did them in. The Playbook is a joke for the same reasons. Applestore and android app market will kill it. In the end the Eulogy will be the same as many others.... Market changed and they didn't.

Every corporation I know of that was a tried and true BB shop is now going to this. Most are paying their employees a stipend per month and letting them choose their own phone. This way they do not have to stock the inventory and pay for the expensive BB licenses and infrastructure.

http://www.good.com/?id=33

Does pretty much all the stuff a BB will do on any platform.

[DementedReality]

Originally Posted by 4X4

I don't even get the big deal about BBM. I had a BB for 3 years and stopped using BBM after a month. It pissed me off that people could tell whether I had read their message.

maybe OT, but why does it piss you off that others know you read their message?

odd ...

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by DementedReality

maybe OT, but why does it piss you off that others know you read their message?

odd ...

Because they probably expect a prompt response that he might not want to give is my guess.

[Cain]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

Because they probably expect a prompt response that he might not want to give is my guess.

Not having that feature is the best part of email and texting.

Once they know that you've read it, they start to read into the multitude of reasons you might have which didn't allow you to respond instantly (or you just realllllly didn't want to). This leads to further awkwardness the longer it drags on, places a feeling of obligation on the receiver to respond right away which is an unhappy pressure sometimes if you want to take the time to formulate the proper response or just give thought to the proposition/message that was sent to you in the first place.

Particularly tough with girls and impatient friends.

[DementedReality]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

Because they probably expect a prompt response that he might not want to give is my guess.

thats still odd .. why not just confirm reciept of the message with a reply? how hard is that?

and if you are in a situation where you can read but maybe not reply, just reply later and if the person complaines it took you too long, tell them to stuff it.

[DementedReality]

Originally Posted by Cain

Not having that feature is the best part of email and texting.

Once they know that you've read it, they start to read into the multitude of reasons you might have which didn't allow you to respond instantly (or you just realllllly didn't want to). This leads to further awkwardness the longer it drags on, places a feeling of obligation on the receiver to respond right away which is an unhappy pressure sometimes if you want to take the time to formulate the proper response or just give thought to the proposition/message that was sent to you in the first place.

Particularly tough with girls and impatient friends.

really?

so if i am talking to you in person, do you need a barrier to digest and respond?

whats the difference? if you dont want to talk to someone, dont have them on BBM! this is an issue that i have heard before and cant comprehend. why is it such a burden?

respond with a beer icon and move on. fail to see the big issue.

[Cain]

Originally Posted by DementedReality

really?

so if i am talking to you in person, do you need a barrier to digest and respond?

whats the difference? if you dont want to talk to someone, dont have them on BBM! this is an issue that i have heard before and cant comprehend. why is it such a burden?

respond with a beer icon and move on. fail to see the big issue.

Unless it is a trivial message, I don't really like to respond with something trivial in return. If it is a legitimate question or proposition then I'd like to investigate my options/knowledge and then get back to people.

And yes, I can tell people to stuff it if they feel that I have taken too long to respond to something, but it will be in the back of my mind as I receive their next message, knowing that they are somehow judging me based on my response speed.

Make no mistake, I don't get hung up on this...I don't really care much, but I do understand it completely. As you said, not a big issue, but it is an issue I'd rather not deal with at all.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Nah, I'm the Grim Reaper

Excuse me?

[DementedReality]

Originally Posted by Cain

Unless it is a trivial message, I don't really like to respond with something trivial in return. If it is a legitimate question or proposition then I'd like to investigate my options/knowledge and then get back to people.

And yes, I can tell people to stuff it if they feel that I have taken too long to respond to something, but it will be in the back of my mind as I receive their next message, knowing that they are somehow judging me based on my response speed.

Make no mistake, I don't get hung up on this...I don't really care much, but I do understand it completely. As you said, not a big issue, but it is an issue I'd rather not deal with at all.

fair enough ... i guess the context in my mind was trivial dialogue as I dont really use BBM to conduct business, other then maybe to follow up or find out if someone is available for a phone call.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by DementedReality

really?

so if i am talking to you in person, do you need a barrier to digest and respond?

whats the difference? if you dont want to talk to someone, dont have them on BBM! this is an issue that i have heard before and cant comprehend. why is it such a burden?

respond with a beer icon and move on. fail to see the big issue.

When the person that sends the first message has the advantage of composing it with as much editing time as he or she wants, then it's only fair that the person replying gets to consider the response for as long as he or she wants before hitting send.
If I get a nicely composed request to help someone move, it's only fair that I get to take a minute or two to either decide that I'd like to help that person, or else to decline tactfully. Telling someone to stuff it isn't always the right way to say no to someone.

And then there's those situations when a poor decision from the previous weekend starts texting for some more action. I'm the one paying the GD cell phone bill, I should have the luxury of pretending I didn't get the message.

[Joborule]

There's something that I've been trying to figure out. Why is BBM such a big deal to a lot of people? I understand it's a glorified texting system, but I don't see how something like that should be so attractive to your heavy social young adults demographic when alternative options like Apple or Android can do more and you still have a solid SMS system. (Without playing spy and seeing if they read your message or not)

[DementedReality]

Originally Posted by 4X4

When the person that sends the first message has the advantage of composing it with as much editing time as he or she wants, then it's only fair that the person replying gets to consider the response for as long as he or she wants before hitting send.
If I get a nicely composed request to help someone move, it's only fair that I get to take a minute or two to either decide that I'd like to help that person, or else to decline tactfully. Telling someone to stuff it isn't always the right way to say no to someone.

And then there's those situations when a poor decision from the previous weekend starts texting for some more action. I'm the one paying the GD cell phone bill, I should have the luxury of pretending I didn't get the message.

hey, its your life, just didnt realize the full context. i dont have friends who expect an answer within 2 minutes of the text nor ex flings i need to avoid, so i guess i cant appreciate the issue from your perspective.

i like BBM and like the D/R function. I tell you what, I know some people on my list arent big BBM fans so I call them instead. Would you prefer those people you avoid were to call you instead?