[Trade] Flames acquire Roman Horak and 2x 2011 2nd rd picks for Tim Erixon and 5th rd pick - Page 11 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Beerfest · 06-01-2011, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by theTrumanShow

I don't get that at all. How did they not know this until a few weeks ago? That makes nosense whatsoever. To me that screams really crappy management of assets, or really crappy management. They should have known this even before they drafted him (that's why they scout guys).

They couldnt talk to him about a contract until the WC was over.

Well, he showed up for Rookie camp last year, so how were they supposed to know when they drafted him?

Ashasx · 06-01-2011, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

We lost Tim Erixon not Sidney Crosby.

It is not great but far from as bad as you make it out to be.

Are you going to freak out every time we lose a possible 4th defenseman?

Were you crying like a baby when the White deal went down?

The hell? Are you kidding? Why are people looking for arguments?

I realize this isn't Sidney Crosby. But this looks terrible for the organization. The laughing stock of the league right now. How can we fail to maintain our first round picks, regardless of the reason?

This just feels like the beginning of the end to me. I said 3 days ago that I had a terrible feeling about this. People called me an idiot. I was right.

We both want the same thing, success.... but this hurts in every possible way.

kyuss275 · 06-01-2011, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sevenarms

He pulled a LeBron.
"I decided to take my talents to New York and screw over Calgary."

Well at least Erixon did not schedule a primetime tv show to screw us over.

That LeBron special on where he would chose to play was the worst thing i have ever seen to do with sports.

Boblobla · 06-01-2011, 03:01 PM

Wow, Roman Horak is trending on twitter. There must be a lot of complaining right now.

ricardodw · 06-01-2011, 03:02 PM

Did the Rangers give Erixon a one-way contract?

Really with Bouw, Regehr, Gio and Sarich was Erixon going be a Flames regular?

Was he going to step in and be an obvious upgrade on Brodie / Negrin / Carson and/or Mickelson.

Realistically he was going to need at least half a year in the AHL.

If Backlund is a 1.2M cap hit on his EL... Erixon will be as much

oldschoolcalgary · 06-01-2011, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Yanda

Does Erixon think hes Eric Lindros or something.. seriously the dude is a late 1st rounder, what kind of leverage does he possibly have to pick and choose his team.

leverage came from the fact its so last minute.

If he didn't want to play here, its hard to come down on management for trading him

arguably however, we ought to have known that a little earlier (like months ago) so that we could have explored other trade options instead of making a deal essentially at gunpoint...

maybe we did, maybe we didn't, but from the scuttlebutt it sure seems like NYR was the only other team we talked to and that just started up today...

theTrumanShow · 06-01-2011, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Beerfest

They couldnt talk to him about a contract until the WC was over.

Well, he showed up for Rookie camp last year, so how were they supposed to know when they drafted him?

...they had 2 years to sign him.

cznTiburon · 06-01-2011, 03:04 PM

there is talk of howse and horak playing together but are they not both LW, can someone correct me?

Bertuzzied · 06-01-2011, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by puckluck

Or better yet, a Canucks fan dressed up as an Oilers fan on a Flames board!

Hi I'm Dogbert. Even though I love everything Canucks and will defend them to the death, i will trick you all and have an Oiler's name, oilers avatar, and oiler's sig.

Beerfest · 06-01-2011, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by theTrumanShow

...they had 2 years to sign him.

Prospects usually dont get signed until two years after being drafted.

Until the past two weeks or so the Flames didnt think they would have a problem signing him and I dont think anyone else did either.

calgarybornnraised · 06-01-2011, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by theTrumanShow

...they had 2 years to sign him.

It seems pretty obvious he wanted to play in New York and only New York.

oldschoolcalgary · 06-01-2011, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Beerfest

They couldnt talk to him about a contract until the WC was over.

Well, he showed up for Rookie camp last year, so how were they supposed to know when they drafted him?

i am confused...couldn't we have signed him right after we drafted him? ie the WC was simply a two week "non contact" period bookended by lots of time to sign Erixon (or as it turns out, realize he didn't want to play here)?

Caged Great · 06-01-2011, 03:05 PM

Well, apparently the Rangers fans think that Horak is going to be solid NHL player. Maybe it won't be quite so bad after all.

Ashasx · 06-01-2011, 03:05 PM

I just don't understand how management didn't see this coming a year ago? Did they go into negotiations after the World Championships just to be blown away by what Erixon was proposing?

moon · 06-01-2011, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MattyC

I agree completely. The filling high draft picks into 3/4 line duties or bottom pairing defensmen roles is a huge mistake IMO. Watching guys like Backlund and Neimiz get placed into these roles continues to bother me. Guys like Skinner, Myers, and O'Reilly are not accidents.

O'Reilly played on the 3/4 lines all season long. Isn't that the exact thing you are complaining about the Flames doing?

And the Flames haven't had a forward prospect with close to the talent of Skinner since Iginla so unfair to expect them to have the same results as what Skinner did.

Hanna Sniper · 06-01-2011, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

There is no way to prove tampering, but if I were Feaster, I would file a protest with the NHL for the principle of the matter.

That would be hard to do, since you turned around and made a deal with that team.

nik- · 06-01-2011, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Boblobla

Wow, Roman Horak is trending on twitter. There must be a lot of complaining right now.

All I've seen so far is a lot of extremely happy Rangers fans.

Cortez · 06-01-2011, 03:05 PM

I'm getting a Horak jersey, what's his number?

Discoste · 06-01-2011, 03:06 PM

Disappointing on all fronts. There still a bunch a questions:

Did he really want to be Flame? Did his Dad influence him?
When did he tell Flames "not interested"? Was he prepared to re-enter draft or was it a bluff?

In his draft year, Erixon probably said all the things the Flames wanted to hear in his interview at the combine.

Contract options? not much wriggle room to negotiate over:

League min is 525k. Rookie league max is ~900k. Players who sign their first contract at age 18-21 are required to sign three-year Entry Level contracts.

moon · 06-01-2011, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

The hell? Are you kidding? Why are people looking for arguments?

I realize this isn't Sidney Crosby. But this looks terrible for the organization. The laughing stock of the league right now. How can we fail to maintain our first round picks, regardless of the reason?

This just feels like the beginning of the end to me. I said 3 days ago that I had a terrible feeling about this. People called me an idiot. I was right.

We both want the same thing, success.... but this hurts in every possible way.

Am I kidding? No

It isn't great as I said but it is far from being a terrible day for the franchise.

The laughing stock of the league are teams like the Oilers, Panthers, BJ's who have consistently missed the play-offs for the past 5 years.