Kirk Cameron Attacks Stephen Hawking

[Weiser Wonder]

I wonder if he actually believes that. I also wonder what existence is like for people who were persuaded by that.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Stephen Hawkins can't even see the sky without help. I'm not suprised he can't envision heaven.

What an ugly post. Not surprising though.

[Bertuzzied]

"Miiiiiike.... Boners at the door"

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Stephen Hawkins can't even see the sky without help. I'm not suprised he can't envision heaven.

[Shades]

Lurker for years on CP, and what I have found interesting is that many posters alway highlight articles featuring religious nut jobs that obviously have viewpoints that are not biblically based (Kirk, O'reilly, florida pastor, redneck catholics, May 21 end of the world, TV evangelists, etc)

Instead of debating things with knowledgeable Christians, it's easier to attack the dumbest most outrageous ones that simply label themselves as such, isn't it?

The majority of Christians are hypocrites. That doesn't mean the fault lies with the Bible.

For those in customer support, you understand what I mean. There's nothing wrong with the instruction manual. It's just the end user that doesn't know how to read, refuses to read, interprets it wrong, reads it out of context or plain just doesn't want to follow the directions.

The Bible and science are completely compatible and harmonious. And whether you believe in ID or evolution, both have unexplainable beginnings.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

"Miiiiiike.... Boners at the door"

No, he's not. And he's not in heaven either! He's either rotting in the ground or in an urn somewhere.

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by Shades

Instead of debating things with knowledgeable Christians, it's easier to attack the dumbest most outrageous ones that simply label themselves as such, isn't it?

It's not our fault they present such stupid and hateful arguments.
If CalgaryBorn stopped lying and condescending then I'd stop accusing him of being a hateful liar.

Originally Posted by Shades

The majority of Christians are hypocrites. That doesn't mean the fault lies with the Bible.

It's not a bad guess though.

Symptom or disease? I'm not really sure I care.

[Finny61]

Growing Pains was such a terrible show.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Christ almighty, do I really have to be the first person to post it?

Pun intended?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by photon

If your neighbour is having a BBQ with pork, do you yell over the fence "Oh man, not another pork chop night! I hate pork chops!"

I am so doing this to my neighbor now, thanks for the idea!

[Shades]

Originally Posted by Gozer

Symptom or disease? I'm not really sure I care.

And therein lies the problem today. Apathy.

For centuries, those that claim to be Christian have obfuscated, twisted, and distorted the Bible for personal gain. People are sick of religion. It's the cause for much of the problems worldwide.

But I maintain it's because of those who claim to be Christians and not because of what the Bible says.

You can't blame the car for the accident when a drunk driver was behind the wheel.

[Rockin' Flames]

Interesting...Cameron makes a good point but people just seem to ignore it. Just because Hawkings says in his scientific view Heaven doesn't exist doesn't make it true. Cameron is right in that fact that Hawkings can't prove that Heaven doesn't exist.

[Rockin' Flames]

Originally Posted by Shades

Lurker for years on CP, and what I have found interesting is that many posters alway highlight articles featuring religious nut jobs that obviously have viewpoints that are not biblically based (Kirk, O'reilly, florida pastor, redneck catholics, May 21 end of the world, TV evangelists, etc)

Instead of debating things with knowledgeable Christians, it's easier to attack the dumbest most outrageous ones that simply label themselves as such, isn't it?

The majority of Christians are hypocrites. That doesn't mean the fault lies with the Bible.

For those in customer support, you understand what I mean. There's nothing wrong with the instruction manual. It's just the end user that doesn't know how to read, refuses to read, interprets it wrong, reads it out of context or plain just doesn't want to follow the directions.

The Bible and science are completely compatible and harmonious. And whether you believe in ID or evolution, both have unexplainable beginnings.

Majority of Christians are hypocrites? Really? Can you prove this or is this just your opinion?

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by Shades

And therein lies the problem today. Apathy.

Just to clarify what you're saying; your problem with atheists is that we are examining the claims made by vocal theists and finding them to be lacking truth and moral fibre. And this is the fault of Christians that blindly accept the dogma of the church.

Is that what you just said?
I'm not trying to "score a point," I just want to clarify what (I think) you just said.

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by Rockin' Flames

Cameron is right in that fact that Hawkings can't prove that Heaven doesn't exist.

Cue flying spagetti monster pic.

Originally Posted by Rockin' Flames

Just because Hawkings says in his scientific view Heaven doesn't exist doesn't make it true.

Did you read Reggie's post?

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Rockin' Flames

Interesting...Cameron makes a good point but people just seem to ignore it. Just because Hawkings says in his scientific view Heaven doesn't exist doesn't make it true. Cameron is right in that fact that Hawkings can't prove that Heaven doesn't exist.

but as a scientist, the onus isn't on him to prove that something doesn't exist, it's up to Cameron and other Christians to gather evidence and put forth a case that God and heaven do exist (and sorry, but the bible doesn't count). so far there has never been any observable facts that would suggest heaven is a real place, so in the scientific realm it is perfectly acceptable to say that it doesn't exist

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Rockin' Flames

Interesting...Cameron makes a good point but people just seem to ignore it. Just because Hawkings says in his scientific view Heaven doesn't exist doesn't make it true. Cameron is right in that fact that Hawkings can't prove that Heaven doesn't exist.

Ah yes, the appeal to ignorance. The classic foundation of any pro-religious argument.

[The Reverend]

Folks like Kirk Cameron and their self indulgent tripe. Can't SH even make an opinion without people like KC freaking out? The banana video is hilarious, BTW, I've never seen it before.

Maybe someone should show Kirk Cameron that Pale Blue Dot photo.

[Shades]

Originally Posted by Rockin' Flames

Majority of Christians are hypocrites? Really? Can you prove this or is this just your opinion?

Let's make this easy. Catholics make up what percentage of Christians? Now examine how they view the Pope, the Cross, and contrast it to what the Bible says about men and idols. Now add all "Christans" that have ever been involved in war and politics. Yes, the majority of "Christians" are hypocrites or just plain ignorant of the Bible. If that wasn't the case, there wouldn't be such a backlash against it.

[Rockin' Flames]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

but as a scientist, the onus isn't on him to prove that something doesn't exist, it's up to Cameron and other Christians to gather evidence and put forth a case that God and heaven do exist (and sorry, but the bible doesn't count). so far there has never been any observable facts that would suggest heaven is a real place, so in the scientific realm it is perfectly acceptable to say that it doesn't exist

I disagree if you are going to say that something doesn't exist that people throughout history have believed to exist, than you should be able to back up your statement with proof. If he just said that Heaven doesn't exist I'd be willing to accept it but if he says that based upon his scientific view than I'd expect he'd actually have scientific proof to back up such a claim, otherwise it's just an opinion.

As for proving that heaven does exist I reject your declaration that the bible doesn't count. I'm tired of people stating in any religion thread that the bible isn't proof (I'm not playing by your rules anymore). It's proof enough for me and I won't just allow you or anyone else take that away from me. The Bible has more proof for the existence of Heaven and God than I've seen from Hawkings regarding his statement that Heaven doesn't exist.