"North American Union"? - a wikileaks release

[hmmhmmcamo]

I came across an interesting article about a recent Wikileaks release detailing conversations back in 2005 between Canada, the US and Mexico about creating a "North American Union". I know we have several posters here from the US (maybe Mexico?) so I'd be interested in their take as well.

Wikileaks exposes North American Integration Plot

As early as January of 2005, high-ranking officials were discussing the best way to sell the idea of North American “integration” to the public and policymakers while getting around national constitutions. The prospect of creating a monetary unit to replace national currencies was a hot topic as well.

Some details of the schemes were exposed in a secret 2005 U.S. embassy cable from Ottawa signed by then-Ambassador Paul Cellucci. The document was released by WikiLeaks on April 28. But so far, it has barely attracted any attention in the United States, Canada, or Mexico.

Some of the comments about the article are pretty lol as well.

[jar_e]

Wikileaks is so 2010.

[vanisleflamesfan]

In before the "conspiracy theorists are all crazy" and "get your tinfoil hat ready" comments...

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by hmmhmmcamo

I came across an interesting article about a recent Wikileaks release detailing conversations back in 2005 between Canada, the US and Mexico about creating a "North American Union". I know we have several posters here from the US (maybe Mexico?) so I'd be interested in their take as well.

Wikileaks exposes North American Integration Plot

Some of the comments about the article are pretty lol as well.

When I was in Mexico a few years ago, someone there asked me what I thought about the adopting the "Amero" and having an economic union. I had no idea what he was talking about, but he seemed pretty sure that there were discussions about it.

[Ozy_Flame]

I heard about the North American Union too. It was from conspiracy ####oo Alex Jones and how its going to enslave all North Americans into a global order.

Anyone who takes it seriously needs a tin foil hat. I highly doubt Canadians would let this happen. Given the damage done by the recession to the U.S. markets and how relatively strongly Canadians got through it, there's no way we would stand for this. Just no way.

[Fobulous]

If even remotely true, I would be ok with a Canada - USA union, but not Mexico.

Just sayin'...

[peter12]

Not to mention there is precedence in the very harmless European Union.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I heard about the North American Union too. It was from conspiracy ####oo Alex Jones and how its going to enslave all North Americans into a global order.

Anyone who takes it seriously needs a tin foil hat. I highly doubt Canadians would let this happen. Given the damage done by the recession to the U.S. markets and how relatively strongly Canadians got through it, there's no way we would stand for this. Just no way.

I would love to know the pros and cons in more detail.

From what I know about the EU, I'd be against a similar thing here, but it must have positives if they even thought to discuss it.

[Locke]

What would the US do with that huge Wall they're building?

[Blaster86]

So what you're saying is North American leaders were looking at doing what a large number of European countries did? And this is supposed to be shocking and worrying?

I don't think it should be shocking at all that they looked at this, looked at the economic benefits of it. What it doesn't entail is the end of human freedom or the beginning of the end, as shown by Europe still existing.

It is very unlikely to happen in the near future though, due to the US' economic issues and Mexico's current drug strife. What would Canada get from saddling themself with those problems?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

It is very unlikely to happen in the near future though, due to the US' economic issues and Mexico's current drug strife. What would Canada get from saddling themself with those problems?

Much better Mexican restaurants.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

It is very unlikely to happen in the near future though, due to the US' economic issues and Mexico's current drug strife. What would Canada get from saddling themself with those problems?

Not to mention two rapidly devaluing currencies and crippling, crippling debt loads.

[HPLovecraft]

Why would Canada or the US want to form a union with freaking Mexico? Probably the very last thing either country would want any part of.

[Ozy_Flame]

The NAU wouldn't even be tipped in anyone's favor except the US' and Mexico's. They get access to all of Canada's resources, while we get nothing discernibly advantageous in return. We also get the burdening problems they have dumped onto us because we'd be 'part of the team.' Crippling debt, drug problems, and a host of other things.

Our beloved public health care systems would go down the ####ter too.

And oh yeah, guess where the government would be? Washington.

[hmmhmmcamo]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

So what you're saying is North American leaders were looking at doing what a large number of European countries did?

It looks that way

And this is supposed to be shocking and worrying?

I've reread my post and I can't figure out where you got that impression.

What it doesn't entail is the end of human freedom or the beginning of the end.

wtf? where did that come from?

[Cowboy89]

Let's all recall that this was being bandied about in 2005 according to the link if I read correctly. A lot has changed in a mere 6 years in how the world's top economic minds view monetary policy, and especially since the implosion of Euro denominated countries like Greece, Ireland, and Portugal. Hypothetically if Greece still had the ability to inflate their own currency a lot of their problems would be more managable. My guess is the US, Canada, and Mexico have vastly different views on a potential Amero than they did back then.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by hmmhmmcamo

It looks that way

I've reread my post and I can't figure out where you got that impression.

wtf? where did that come from?

Did I quote you? Did I in anyway mention you? Did I imply that you said any of this? Did I make any move to show that it was directed towards you?

As the answer to all the above is "No." Why would you get so defensive? I was obviously referring to all the conspiracy theories that have swirled around this idea for the past decade.

[hmmhmmcamo]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Did I quote you? Did I in anyway mention you? Did I imply that you said any of this? Did I make any move to show that it was directed towards you?

You're right. You didn't quote me in particular, but you did start your post with

So what you're saying is...

So who is the "you're" you are responding to? edit: I started the thread so I assumed it was me

Why would you get so defensive?

I don't think I got so defensive, I just responded to your post. I still have no idea where "the end of human freedom or the beginning of the end" came from, but whatever.

I was obviously referring to all the conspiracy theories that have swirled around this idea for the past decade.

obviously

[Reggie Dunlop]

Nothing really new about any of this. Bureaucrats research and strategize all manner of scenarios, whether its economic or social.

There was brief mention of this at the time, but more pressing issues overtook the agenda.

[HotHotHeat]

People need to stop saying it would encroach on our sovereignty. The EU still has borders. It's an economic streamlining that makes sense in a lot of ways, given the NAFTA.