The Ongoing Coyotes Sale Thread

[TorqueDog]

Okay, I hate on my hometown quite a bit, but REALLY?

"Not many people live there, not many Russian people there. Plus it's cold. There's no excitement except the hockey. No park, no entertaining for the families, for the kids. It's going to be tough life for your family."

1. Significant Russian/Eastern European community in Winnipeg.
2. Yeah, it's cold. You play a winter sport, you sissy. I don't recall Russia's climate being like Arizona's.
3. No park? Really? I guess Assiniboine Park, Kildonan Park and St. Vital Park are just names. And I'll be honest, I miss those places. Sunday afternoons at KP/Ass.Park were a lot of fun.
4. No entertainment? Now he's just making excuses.

LOL, it's going to be a tough life for all those millionaires living in Winnipeg, I tell ya.

[Scrollbar]

peoples misconceptions of winnipeg are hillarious. they act like its regina but with more people.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by getbak

Bryz confirms what people have speculated: He'd rather go play in Russia than move to Winnipeg http://www.calgarysun.com/2011/04/21...about-winnipeg

He wasn't going to stay with the Coyotes anyhow, he will go to the highest bidder. All Russian players are the same, give me whatever I want and a bunch of cash or I am going home. If he goes to the KHL he will try and pull and Nabokov, just wait and see. Players who care more about the climate then the hockey market are not the kind of players you want on your team anyhow.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Okay, I hate on my hometown quite a bit, but REALLY?

1. Significant Russian/Eastern European community in Winnipeg.
2. Yeah, it's cold. You play a winter sport, you sissy. I don't recall Russia's climate being like Arizona's.
3. No park? Really? I guess Assiniboine Park, Kildonan Park and St. Vital Park are just names. And I'll be honest, I miss those places. Sunday afternoons at KP/Ass.Park were a lot of fun.
4. No entertainment? Now he's just making excuses.

LOL, it's going to be a tough life for all those millionaires living in Winnipeg, I tell ya.

So many east europeans my racist winnipeg ex wife had an unpleasent childrens song she sang every time we went past Hunky Bills, it started with Hunky, I will let the 'OG' peggers fill in the rest.

[Mad Mel]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Not that it really matters. I'm sure there is an up and coming goaltender, perhaps in the Canucks system, who would put up with playing in Winnipeg (again) if it meant being a starter in the NHL.

This is a good point. Another thing that this reminded me of is that guys like Mike Keane and Nolan Baumgartner probably could have played in other AHL cities if they wanted to.

[troutman]

Do you think the Phoenix Coyotes have a future in Glendale?

They're gone.
52.55%

They're staying.
47.45%

Total Votes: 725

[not exactly a "hot" poll for the AZ Republic - a poll the other day in Winnipeg Free Press had over 11,000 respondents]

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/coyo...#ixzz1KCBMGbco

[Vulcan]

If you get the young players married off to Winnipeg wives, there will not be much of a problem getting players to stay.

[landshark]

No doubt, Winnipeggers will catch wind of this and Jihad the poll.

It'll be 95% 'They're Gone" by this time tomorrow.

Originally Posted by troutman

Do you think the Phoenix Coyotes have a future in Glendale?

They're gone.
52.55%

They're staying.
47.45%

Total Votes: 725

[not exactly a "hot" poll for the AZ Republic - a poll the other day in Winnipeg Free Press had over 11,000 respondents]

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/coyo...#ixzz1KCBMGbco

[tjinaz]

If you get the young players married off to Winnipeg wives, there will not be much of a problem getting players to stay.

Once the wife goes to a better climate and shopping who is to say she won't want to leave too?

Marrying off players is a good way to keep them around? wow it is that bad there.....

Have you seen the talent in Scottsdale or Arizona State Univ?

You honestly think Winnipeg can compete?

http://www.google.com/search?q=girls...w=1491&bih=870

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Right, so it has taken how long and how much money loss for the Coyotes to get to the point where maybe if they can keep things going for another 5 years of competitive low-budget hockey they will finally build a fan base...

From when the Coyotes landed in 1996 to now (2011) they have made the playoffs 7 out of 14 seasons. Sure, they haven't won a round yet but after 15 years and who knows how many hundreds of millions of dollars in losses you'd have to think that a grass roots program might be more effective than trying to brute force hockey into the Phoenix market.

I don't think they had the ownership they've required though to propser. The way the organization is managed from the top down is extremely important. A recent example of going from a bad owner to a good one is the Blackhawks. The fanbase was jaded against the previous owner whom apparently managed the team in an odd way in some ways. When his son took over, the fanbase has regain confidence in the ownership. Granted that happen around the same time they get Towes and Kane along with other good players to move away from the lower tier of teams to a Stanley Cup winner within a couple years. So winning ultimately brought the fans back, but that comes from good ownership that wants to build a winning club. Coyotes ownership in the past didn't seem to have the same desire and as a result lost the attention of the market due to poor ice play for a lengthy period.

Originally Posted by woob

Seriously? You don't think the oh, what, 15 years they've had already might be an indication that hockey isn't for that market? Sure, not all of those 15 years have been as good as the last couple, performance wise. But, if you can't build a fan base in 15 years, another 5-10 isn't going to help, in my opinion.

My paragraph basically response to this. Ownership and management didn't do enough to build team loyalty within the community. I don't know the whole story of how thing were operated, but I assume the lack of consistent competitiveness and no true superstar players to follow aside from Doan (bad drafting or not keeping players?), the Coyotes just never warranted attention for such a long time. This is probably the most attention they've gotten since they've moved there.

[Resolute 14]

"Not many Russian people live there"?

Really, Bryzgalov? Probably half the people with Russian ancestry in Canada have a relative in Winnipeg...

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

"Not many Russian people live there"?

Really, Bryzgalov? Probably half the people with Russian ancestry in Canada have a relative in Winnipeg...

To be fair, I don't think Ukrainian counts as Russian.

[Resolute 14]

Speaking as a Ukrainian, I think you might have a point.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by tjinaz

Once the wife goes to a better climate and shopping who is to say she won't want to leave too?

Marrying off players is a good way to keep them around? wow it is that bad there.....

Have you seen the talent in Scottsdale or Arizona State Univ?

You honestly think Winnipeg can compete?

http://www.google.com/search?q=girls...w=1491&bih=870

Winnipeg doesn't have to compete with Phoenix because you schmoes didn't buy tickets, just Minny and Calgary, you know, places that like hockey.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Joborule

I don't think they had the ownership they've required though to propser. The way the organization is managed from the top down is extremely important. A recent example of going from a bad owner to a good one is the Blackhawks. The fanbase was jaded against the previous owner whom apparently managed the team in an odd way in some ways. When his son took over, the fanbase has regain confidence in the ownership. Granted that happen around the same time they get Towes and Kane along with other good players to move away from the lower tier of teams to a Stanley Cup winner within a couple years. So winning ultimately brought the fans back, but that comes from good ownership that wants to build a winning club. Coyotes ownership in the past didn't seem to have the same desire and as a result lost the attention of the market due to poor ice play for a lengthy period.

While I don't disagree with the overall concept there is a significant difference between the Coyotes, who have had 15 years in Phoenix, versus the Blackhawks, who have been in the NHL since 1926. Also, to drive the grass roots message home: you can actually go play hockey in Chicago.

So while it may have helped the Coyotes if they were managed properly and if they had a winning team there is also something to be said for trying to grow hockey as a sport in the communities that the NHL wants to set up shop in. If it Coyotes ended up losing something like $300 million then maybe one could argue that if they had spent $100 million to develop hockey in Phoenix then maybe they would have had enough fans to not lose the other $200 million in running the team.

[Incogneto]

Originally Posted by Scrollbar

peoples misconceptions of winnipeg are hillarious. they act like its regina but with more people.

It is like Regina with more people. And I grew up in Manitoba.

I call it Win-Gina-Ton. same city, three different locations.

[Scrollbar]

It's not Regina with more people. That's a stupid comment to make.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by tjinaz

Have you seen the talent in Scottsdale or Arizona State Univ?

You honestly think Winnipeg can compete?

Have you seen the talent in Winnipeg? The unattached players won't miss Arizona where women is concerned.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Have you seen the talent in Winnipeg? The unattached players won't miss Arizona where women is concerned.

Quoted for Truth. Winnipeg definitely has alot of talent when it comes to women. Just behind Montreal and Toronto in Canada when it comes to a good looking fit women as well. Plus a great girl to guy ratio, which helps too.

If Winnipeg does get an NHL team in the future, there will be players that will play there for the sheer desire to play in the league. However, I do know that there are some players within the Coyotes organization that have settled there families and are in the process or have just built new homes, etc, whom would be less than thrilled with a move to the Peg, as they have really chosen to reside in the Phoenix region due to the climate and lifestyle.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by Scrollbar

It's not Regina with more people. That's a stupid comment to make.

Regina with more people and lakes?