8.9 Magnitude quake hits offshore Japan

[SeeBass]

I wonder what Japan did wrong for God to be mad at them?
I await the 700 club's reason this time.



perhaps this could be bad timing

[TylerSVT]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Agreed, but it isn't like anti-nuclear activists are above using ignorance and fear to spread panic against the idea. Guarantee you that the next time it comes up, someone will fire back with "what happened in Japan could happen here too", regardless of the facts surrounding Japan's incident.

Exactly, regardless of how logical it is that we probably wont ever have an earthquake or similar natural disasters, people will use this as an example. And sadly most people will buy into it.

[Incogneto]

Where are people getting the most up-to-date info on this? it seems like CNN and BBC haven't updated thier pages with new info....

[Knut]

Breaking news from BBC and Reuters on Twitter.

[Sainters7]

^^^
Same with Al Jazeera English on Twitter. I started following them a couple weeks ago to follow the Libya rebellion, but I've since discovered they do an excellent job at covering international stories from everywhere. Besides CNN, the've been my go-to for updates on the tsunami.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by TylerSVT

Worry much?

Do you have any clue what people are going through? seriously? your comments in this thread are not only useless, but offensive.

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

I wonder what Japan did wrong for God to be mad at them?
I await the 700 club's reason this time.



perhaps this could be bad timing

Thou shalt not sell used panties from vending machines. I think that's in the Bible somewhere.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Do you have any clue what people are going through? seriously? your comments in this thread are not only useless, but offensive.

Did you expect anything different?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Do you have any clue what people are going through? seriously? your comments in this thread are not only useless, but offensive.

You realize what he was quoting right? Not only is this guy a total quack but he said something much more offensive in the very same post.

Originally Posted by giver99

If any of their plants melt down, I will be purchasing about 2 months of milk and freezing it for my kids.

Crap, just heard their was an explosion reported at one of the plants. Not good. Probably buying a lot of mil tomorrow now for sure.

And in other news, Godzilla was just spotted 5 miles offshore...

[freedogger]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

You realize what he was quoting right? Not only is this guy a total quack but he said something much more offensive in the very same post.

Granted, the godzilla reference was grossly inappropriate. Apologies if it offended anyone.

Total quack though? Why? I gave a link that described what was happening with expert commentary. The definitive site on what to do when in a nuclear incident was also given. And I mention that I am concerned it might impact here too given the prevalent winds, backed up by research and real studies on past events of a similar nature.

And no, I didn't go out and buy any more milk today. The cows are still eating stuff from storage.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_iodide we see reported about KI use during Chernobyl event that:

But equally important to the question of KI is the fact that radiation releases are not "local" events. Researchers at the World Health Organization accurately located and counted the cancer victims from Chernobyl and were startled to find that "the increase in incidence [of thyroid cancer] has been documented up to 500 km from the accident site...significant doses from radioactive iodine can occur hundreds of kilometers from the site, beyond emergency planning zones." Consequently, far more people than anticipated were affected by the radiation, which caused the United Nations to report in 2002 that "The number of people with thyroid cancer...has exceeded expectations. Over 11,000 cases have already been reported."

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by giver99

Granted, the godzilla reference was grossly inappropriate. Apologies if it offended anyone.

Total quack though? Why? I gave a link that described what was happening with expert commentary. The definitive site on what to do when in a nuclear incident was also given. And I mention that I am concerned it might impact here too given the prevalent winds, backed up by research and real studies on past events of a similar nature.

And no, I didn't go out and buy any more milk today. The cows are still eating stuff from storage.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_iodide we see reported about KI use during Chernobyl event that:

But equally important to the question of KI is the fact that radiation releases are not "local" events. Researchers at the World Health Organization accurately located and counted the cancer victims from Chernobyl and were startled to find that "the increase in incidence [of thyroid cancer] has been documented up to 500 km from the accident site...significant doses from radioactive iodine can occur hundreds of kilometers from the site, beyond emergency planning zones." Consequently, far more people than anticipated were affected by the radiation, which caused the United Nations to report in 2002 that "The number of people with thyroid cancer...has exceeded expectations. Over 11,000 cases have already been reported."

Fair enough.

I didn't even read your links, just kind of reminded me of Tower or someone of that ilk. And I was just trying to show that crapping on TylerSVT wasn't necessary.

[HOOT]

Found this pretty interesting don't know if it's been posted: Timeline: Japan power plant explosion

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12722719

[freedogger]

Originally Posted by fanman

To all those reading this board who live in the area of Chiba, Tokyo, Kanagawa, Saitama, Ibaraki prefectures or close to. My wife's friend just sent her a text message. Her friends father works for the oil company in Chiba who's refinery on Tokyo Bay has had a major fire from the earthquake. She said there have been dangerous chemicals released from the blaze and they also worry about radiation leaking from the Fukushima power plant. They are strongly suggesting you limit the amount of time spent outdoors. Don't go out more than you have to, don't hang your laundry outside to dry etc. Also she stressed that the next time it rains there is a good chance it could be toxic. DO NOT go out when it's raining, especially the first rain after the fact.

Here's the best information on what to do if you are worried that you are in the fallout area for any of these reactors:
http://www.ki4u.com/guide.htm

Store lots of water right now! If the water coming out of the tap is grossly contaminated from everything else going on, consider using your hot water tank and toilet tanks, they should both be full of treatable water. I'm not saying you have to drink this, just store it to have on hand if its needed.

I don't want to paste the whole thing here, but these two items are pretty critical to get right:

You must decide FIRST if you need to prepare where you are, or attempt evacuation. The nature of the threat, your prior preparations, and your confidence in your sources of information should direct your decision. If you know already you will be preparing to stay at your own home or, at least, the immediate local area, go now to #2 below.
If you are considering evacuation, your decision requires very high confidence that it is worth the risk. You do not want to get stuck between your current location and your hoped for destination, as there will probably be no easy getting back. If you fail to get to your destination, you may be exposed without shelter, in a dangerous situation with little effective law enforcement, perhaps among panicked hordes of refugees. Whatever supplies you have may be limited then to what you can carry on foot. IF you are in a big city, AND you have relatives or friends in the country that you know are awaiting you, AND the roads between you and them are clear, AND the authorities are not yet restricting traffic, AND you have the means and fuel, evacuation may be a viable option for a limited time. DO NOT attempt evacuation if all of the above is not clearly known, or if the situation is deteriorating too quickly to assure the complete trip. You do not want to get stuck and/or become a refugee being herded along with panicked masses. If evacuation is truly a viable option, do not wait - GO NOW! Do so with as many of the supplies listed in #7 as possible. Better to be two days too early in arriving than two hours too late and getting snagged mid-way, potentially exposing your family to a worse fate than having stayed where you were. Because of the very real danger of getting caught in an evacuation stampede that stalls, almost all families will be better off making the best of it wherever they currently are.

---------------

Boiling or bleach water treatments will be used for cleaning your stored water later for drinking. (This is for killing bacteria, not for radiation contamination, which is never a concern for any stored and covered water containers or even sealed food.) Tap water recently put into clean containers won't likely need to be purified before using. To purify questionable water, bring it to a roiling boil and keep it there for 10 minutes at least. If you don't have the fuel to boil it, you can kill the bacteria by mixing in a good quality household bleach at the rate of 10 drops per gallon, and letting it sit for at least 1/2 an hour. The bleach should be at least 5.25% pure, like Clorox, but be sure it has no additives such as soap or fragrance. You can later get rid of the flat taste from boiling, or some of the chlorine taste when using bleach, by pouring it from one container to another several times

[jeremywilhelm]

This is all totally surreal.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

^^^
Same with Al Jazeera English on Twitter. I started following them a couple weeks ago to follow the Libya rebellion, but I've since discovered they do an excellent job at covering international stories from everywhere. Besides CNN, the've been my go-to for updates on the tsunami.

I was watching it on Bell on a free preview but it is gone now and I can't find it even on All Channels guide. I first enjoyed it in my hotel room in Paris a few years back.

I would buy it, if I have to, but I paid for the news package.

[worth]

If you live in Canada, contact the following cable and satellite providers to subscribe to Al Jazeera English:
Bell TV: 516 - Cogeco: 182 - Rogers: 176 - Shaw: 513 - Videotron: 173

Al Jazeera is awesome. They are currently playing a muammar gaddafi autotune video.

[TylerSVT]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Do you have any clue what people are going through? seriously? your comments in this thread are not only useless, but offensive.

The guy was saying he wants to go buy milk and freeze it because the milk will be contaminated in NA soon.... A little over reaction me thinks.

[TylerSVT]

Originally Posted by giver99

Here's the best information on what to do if you are worried that you are in the fallout area for any of these reactors:
http://www.ki4u.com/guide.htm

Store lots of water right now! If the water coming out of the tap is grossly contaminated from everything else going on, consider using your hot water tank and toilet tanks, they should both be full of treatable water. I'm not saying you have to drink this, just store it to have on hand if its needed.

I don't want to paste the whole thing here, but these two items are pretty critical to get right:

You must decide FIRST if you need to prepare where you are, or attempt evacuation. The nature of the threat, your prior preparations, and your confidence in your sources of information should direct your decision. If you know already you will be preparing to stay at your own home or, at least, the immediate local area, go now to #2 below.
If you are considering evacuation, your decision requires very high confidence that it is worth the risk. You do not want to get stuck between your current location and your hoped for destination, as there will probably be no easy getting back. If you fail to get to your destination, you may be exposed without shelter, in a dangerous situation with little effective law enforcement, perhaps among panicked hordes of refugees. Whatever supplies you have may be limited then to what you can carry on foot. IF you are in a big city, AND you have relatives or friends in the country that you know are awaiting you, AND the roads between you and them are clear, AND the authorities are not yet restricting traffic, AND you have the means and fuel, evacuation may be a viable option for a limited time. DO NOT attempt evacuation if all of the above is not clearly known, or if the situation is deteriorating too quickly to assure the complete trip. You do not want to get stuck and/or become a refugee being herded along with panicked masses. If evacuation is truly a viable option, do not wait - GO NOW! Do so with as many of the supplies listed in #7 as possible. Better to be two days too early in arriving than two hours too late and getting snagged mid-way, potentially exposing your family to a worse fate than having stayed where you were. Because of the very real danger of getting caught in an evacuation stampede that stalls, almost all families will be better off making the best of it wherever they currently are.

---------------

Boiling or bleach water treatments will be used for cleaning your stored water later for drinking. (This is for killing bacteria, not for radiation contamination, which is never a concern for any stored and covered water containers or even sealed food.) Tap water recently put into clean containers won't likely need to be purified before using. To purify questionable water, bring it to a roiling boil and keep it there for 10 minutes at least. If you don't have the fuel to boil it, you can kill the bacteria by mixing in a good quality household bleach at the rate of 10 drops per gallon, and letting it sit for at least 1/2 an hour. The bleach should be at least 5.25% pure, like Clorox, but be sure it has no additives such as soap or fragrance. You can later get rid of the flat taste from boiling, or some of the chlorine taste when using bleach, by pouring it from one container to another several times

I still think you are over reacting... People like to panic at the thought of everything. Like i understand if you are in Tokyo that you might want to do this kind of stuff... but NA? really? If anything is going to affect us, im pretty sure the news and government will warn us. Only then would i start doing any of the crazy things you are talking about.

[freedogger]

Originally Posted by TylerSVT

The guy was saying he wants to go buy milk and freeze it because the milk will be contaminated in NA soon.... A little over reaction me thinks.

It depends how much radiation is released, and I don't think the amount released will be cause harm over here. If more than three or four of those reactors having issues go full on Chernobyl, it may actually be something to do a little more thinking about. Again, I don't think it will be that bad. Not over-reacting to consider the issue, especially if you have little ones who gulp the stuff by the truckload every week.

Cresson H. Kearny, the author of the NWSS book, also states about this now declassified incident:

• "This one Chinese explosion produced about 15 million curies of iodine- 131 - roughly the same amount as the total release of iodine- 131 into the atmosphere from the Chernobyl nuclear power plant disaster." "Fallout from the approximately 300 kiloton Chinese test explosion shown in Fig. 1 (Map 'B' above) caused milk from cows that fed on pastures near Oak Ridge, Tennessee and elsewhere to be contaminated with radioiodine, although not with enough to be hazardous to health."
  "However, this milk contamination (up to 900 picocuries of radioactive iodine per liter) and the measured dose rates from the gamma rays emitted from fallout particles deposited in different parts of the United States indicate that trans-Pacific fallout from even an overseas nuclear war in which "only" two or three hundred megatons would be exploded could result in tens of thousands of unprepared Americans suffering thyroid injury."

[freedogger]

Originally Posted by TylerSVT

I still think you are over reacting... People like to panic at the thought of everything. Like i understand if you are in Tokyo that you might want to do this kind of stuff... but NA? really? If anything is going to affect us, im pretty sure the news and government will warn us. Only then would i start doing any of the crazy things you are talking about.

In North America??? Hell no, we will be fine. This was for anyone in Japan that might be in a fallout zone, if indeed there really is a bad incident. At this point, things seem to be uncertain.