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Old 01-16-2011, 11:10 PM   #101
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What I don't understand is if this guy was considered so dangerous why wasn't a high risk take down done on him? He should have been ordered out of the vehicle and commanded into a prone position while both officers where behind cover of their vehicle with their firearms drawn.
This is exactly what I didn't understand. Having seen many high risk takedowns in my time they ALWAYS make the subject walk backwards with their hands on their head towards them with their guns pointed and usually a K-9 unit on the ready.

Even if he wasn't responding the guy was alone at the side of the vehicle. That is a big no no. If the guy decides to have a shootout with a hidden handgun the other cops can only sit and watch as he's right in the line of fire.

Many things were wrong with this arrest, not just the kick in the face.
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Old 01-16-2011, 11:16 PM   #102
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There are some still shots of the cops talking to him before the video starts, one showing the male cop talking to him at the end of a nickel plated (so Hollywood, this guy is cool) pistol through the open window.

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You do know that RCMP officers are issued the Smith and Wesson 5946 9 mm. The cop was using his standard issue pistol not some hollywood personalized weapon.



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This is exactly what I didn't understand. Having seen many high risk takedowns in my time they ALWAYS make the subject walk backwards with their hands on their head towards them with their guns pointed and usually a K-9 unit on the ready.

Even if he wasn't responding the guy was alone at the side of the vehicle. That is a big no no. If the guy decides to have a shootout with a hidden handgun the other cops can only sit and watch as he's right in the line of fire.

Many things were wrong with this arrest, not just the kick in the face.
I don't think that the RCMP ever denied that the whole arrest was incredibly suspect and didn't follow standard procedures.

Hopefully beyond punishing this officer properly this forces the RCMP to revamp their training.
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Old 01-16-2011, 11:33 PM   #104
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You do know that RCMP officers are issued the Smith and Wesson 5946 9 mm.
I clearly stated I did not know what they were issued.

It seems odd to me a shinny side arm would be issued. I have only seen black side arms. ???? Wouldn't a shinny gun be disadvantages ?
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Umm, is there a more obvious example of an extreme circumstance where it would be inappropriate to pay a member than when one is charged with assault for actions taken in the line of duty? And this coward is still being paid? What a joke.
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Old 01-17-2011, 12:11 AM   #106
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I clearly stated I did not know what they were issued.

It seems odd to me a shinny side arm would be issued. I have only seen black side arms. ???? Wouldn't a shinny gun be disadvantages ?
The tac units from what I understand are issued black matte sig sauers.

For the average cop on the street, if they pull the gun they want you to know it.
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Old 01-17-2011, 12:26 AM   #107
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The tac units from what I understand are issued black matte sig sauers.

For the average cop on the street, if they pull the gun they want you to know it.
Same with boots. Tac guys get the flat black boots, but if a uniform kicks you in the head, he damn well wants you to know about it.
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So what your saying is that the guys last thought before the kick in the face was "Geez I can see my face in his boots?"
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Old 02-06-2011, 12:45 AM   #110
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Heres another beauty.

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Houston's mayor and police department were on the defensive Friday, two days after graphic video came out showing several police repeatedly kicking and beating a 15-year-old burglary suspect as he lay on the ground.
An internal police investigation of the incident last March led to the firing of seven police officers, said spokesman John Cannon of the Houston police department.
Two successfully appealed and returned to their jobs, said Houston NAACP President D.Z. Cofield.
Five other officers were disciplined in other ways, Cannon said. And a Harris County grand jury indicted four of the officers this summer, based in part on the video.
Harris County District Attorney Patricia Lykos opposed the video becoming public and felt doing so might prejudice potential jurors and force the indicted officers' trials to be moved out of the county.
Brutal video in the link.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02/05/...ex.html?hpt=T2
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Old 02-06-2011, 02:16 AM   #111
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Heres another beauty.



Brutal video in the link.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02/05/...ex.html?hpt=T2

Wow......they try to run him over, he gives up and lays prone and they kick and punch the living day lights out of him. The police gotta quit hiring meatheads.....
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I believe many of the officers in that case are arguing that the suspect fell ontop of the goal and they were simply trying to win the local department game of kick the can. Can't blame them for being competitive, amirite?
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yea - all cops are a$$holes...



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A B.C. RCMP officer is being hailed as a hero after saving a 15-year-old girl by throwing her to safety before a truck pinned him against another vehicle, crushing his leg.

link: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-col...girl-yale.html
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Seattle police Officer Ian Birk, who fatally shot Native American woodcarver John T. Williams last summer, resigned on Wednesday after a firearms review panel ruled the shooting unjustified and the King County prosecutor announced that Birk would face no criminal charge.
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^^But he had a knife Pinner!

If a person has a knife in their hand, obviously they are going to murder someone with it, therefore the cop was justified in the shooting.

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So the shooting was unjustified, but theres no charges?
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So the shooting was unjustified, but theres no charges?
The DA said that they would have to prove malicious intent for the charge to stick, which is nearly impossible in this case.
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Isnt that criminal negligence regardless of intent?
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link: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-col...girl-yale.html
What a surprise Pinner and Mikey both glossed over this one.
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What a surprise Pinner and Mikey both glossed over this one.
I glossed over it because it is expected that the police help people and do a good job. It is what they are paid for, and good on that officer for saving the girl from injury.

It is not expected that they beat and shoot relatively harmless people however....
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