Murder rate in Calgary lowest since 2003

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by valo403

Not even remotely comparable. Detroit is at the opposite end of the spectrum to where Calgary was recently, both situations can lead to increased crime and violence. Calgary experienced violence related to turf wars and fights over lucrative drug trades. Detroit experiences violence related to poverty, desperation, a large gang presence, a lack of a functional local government and a high rate of drug dependency. The burst of violent gang crime in Calgary was just a blip on the radar, in Detroit it is a decades long established part of life.

Thanks, but I wasn't comapring the history of both cities.

The comment was that bad economy = less drugs and less crime. I don't think that's the case at all in any city in any end of the spectrum. Drug dealers aren't going out of business because of the economy.

Johnny cracker doesn't care about the economy when he needs his next fix. He is getting that fix if it means he has to rob a store or bank. I'd actualy argue that a bad economy only leads to more crime.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Thanks, but I wasn't comapring the history of both cities.

The comment was that bad economy = less drugs and less crime. I don't think that's the case at all in any city in any end of the spectrum. Drug dealers aren't going out of business because of the economy.

Johnny cracker doesn't care about the economy when he needs his next fix. He is getting that fix if it means he has to rob a store or bank. I'd actualy argue that a bad economy only leads to more crime.

Actually, the comment was that a boom economy played a role in creating a more lucrative drug trade, and in turn lead to violence, which is a completely legitimate argument. You brought up an example at the complete opposite end of the spectrum, a place that shares virtually no comparable characteristics to the situation in Calgary, be it 3 years ago or today.

[burn_this_city]

I consider the drug trade to be a recession proof industry. Besides, did we really see a deep, gutting downturn here in Calgary? I would be surprised if the local drug trade did any worse in the last year or so. Also these gang killings were probably less about drug turf and more about street cred and score settling. Most of them aren't street level dealers fighting over who works what corner.

[Regulator75]

Perhaps I should install that rocket launcher on my car and rid our streets of idiots who don't signal or know the difference between yield and merge.

[bcb]

Better hire another 500 cops and increase their budget 15% to ensure the trend continues.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by valo403

Actually, the comment was that a boom economy played a role in creating a more lucrative drug trade, and in turn lead to violence, which is a completely legitimate argument.

Really? did you read the comment I responded to?

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Less money in the city because of economy = less drugs = less crime.

Seems like you imagined what he said.

You brought up an example at the complete opposite end of the spectrum, a place that shares virtually no comparable characteristics to the situation in Calgary, be it 3 years ago or today.

Detroit was the first city that came to mind. I could have used every single city in Canada and the U.S and my argument would be the same and valid. The economy doesn't effect drug dealers. People that are going to get high are not going to let anything stop them and these are the people that are breaking into cars at night and robbing people in their homes, and I think you know that. You made up an argument and argued with something I never said.

Bottom line is that the current economy doesn't equal less drugs and doesn't equal less crime.

[PurposeDriven]

Originally Posted by T@T

2008 - 29
2009 - 23
2010 - 13

Interactive map:
http://www.cbc.ca/calgary/features/homicide/

Is it bad that i've just spent the past 45 mins or so clicking on peoples names and reading the news stories about them... its like real life law and order... i'm so intrigued.

[TylerSVT]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Really? did you read the comment I responded to?



Seems like you imagined what he said.



Detroit was the first city that came to mind. I could have used every single city in Canada and the U.S and my argument would be the same and valid. The economy doesn't effect drug dealers. People that are going to get high are not going to let anything stop them and these are the people that are breaking into cars at night and robbing people in their homes, and I think you know that. You made up an argument and argued with something I never said.

Bottom line is that the current economy doesn't equal less drugs and doesn't equal less crime.

You seriously need to read a book about Criminology before you speak.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Really? did you read the comment I responded to?



Seems like you imagined what he said.



Detroit was the first city that came to mind. I could have used every single city in Canada and the U.S and my argument would be the same and valid. The economy doesn't effect drug dealers. People that are going to get high are not going to let anything stop them and these are the people that are breaking into cars at night and robbing people in their homes, and I think you know that. You made up an argument and argued with something I never said.

Bottom line is that the current economy doesn't equal less drugs and doesn't equal less crime.

I think Valo has pretty much covered most of what I would have said on this topic. I made a very simple statement, overly simple in fact. I suppose I could have gone into greater lengths but the huge spike in crime in Calgary, by seemingly all accounts was gang activity and turf wars over the drug trade which boomed along with the city. The thriving economy saw more people come into large sums of money then they knew what to do with so they blew it on many excesses including booze, drugs and hookers. This boom also saw many transient/non-calgarians come into the city who have since left once the work dried up.

Contrary to what you believe not every person who uses drugs, especially recreationally, is an addict who stop at nothing to get their next fix.

Finally, comparing Detroit to Calgary is idiotic on so many levels. The social problems that Detroit has are rooted in a stratification system that goes back centuries in addition to many other things.

[jar_e]

I guess its now 15...http://www.660news.com/news/local/ar...alled-homicide

Investigators are now calling a suspicious death earlier this year a murder.

Aref Selman Nassereddine, 64, was found dead from stab wounds in his home in the 1600 block of 42nd Street S.W. on March 17th.

Now, crime lab DNA results have led police to call it murder.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by TylerSVT

You seriously need to read a book about Criminology before you speak.

You seriously need to learn how to read before you speak.

Please argue my points.

[BigBrodieFan]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Really? did you read the comment I responded to?



Seems like you imagined what he said.



Detroit was the first city that came to mind. I could have used every single city in Canada and the U.S and my argument would be the same and valid. The economy doesn't effect drug dealers. People that are going to get high are not going to let anything stop them and these are the people that are breaking into cars at night and robbing people in their homes, and I think you know that. You made up an argument and argued with something I never said.

Bottom line is that the current economy doesn't equal less drugs and doesn't equal less crime.

While I completely agree with you that drug addicts are going to get drugs in ANY economy, I was just reading the other day about how it's very odd but the despite the poor economy, crime rates have actually decreased across the board.

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-0712...,2294726.story

SEATTLE —
It may seem like an obvious connection: our economy's down, so crime rates are on the rise, right? Not so fast, say analysts from the FBI.

Crime is down across the board, and the exact reason is tough to pin down. The FBI says nationwide, crime rates dropped 5.5% percent for violent crime and about 5% for property crime during 2009, in the lowest depths of the recession.

The article goes further to discuss Seattle specifically.

I personally, would have thought the opposite.

[puckluck]

The fact that the article starts off with this just proves that this is out of the norm for a bad economy.

SEATTLE —
It may seem like an obvious connection: our economy's down, so crime rates are on the rise, right? Not so fast, say analysts from the FBI

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by puckluck

The fact that the article starts off with this just proves that this is out of the norm for a bad economy.

So a throw away line in an article from a television station is enough evidence for you? All that line proves is that the average joe sixpack assumes down economy = more crime.

Regardless, none of this has anything to do with calgary. My comment was referring to Calgary's situation which I think we can all agree was different from almost every major city in north america.

[QUOTE]While I completely agree with you that drug addicts are going to get drugs in ANY economy, I was just reading the other day about how it's very odd but the despite the poor economy, crime rates have actually decreased across the board.

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-0712...,2294726.story [\quote]

As stated above, not everyone who uses drugs recreationally becomes and addict.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

i've been slacking this year

You should have know that would have been the result from putting those web cams up instead of the machine gun turrets.

[BigBrodieFan]

[QUOTE=corporatejay;2865627]So a throw away line in an article from a television station is enough evidence for you? All that line proves is that the average joe sixpack assumes down economy = more crime.

Regardless, none of this has anything to do with calgary. My comment was referring to Calgary's situation which I think we can all agree was different from almost every major city in north america.

While I completely agree with you that drug addicts are going to get drugs in ANY economy, I was just reading the other day about how it's very odd but the despite the poor economy, crime rates have actually decreased across the board.

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-0712...,2294726.story [\quote]

As stated above, not everyone who uses drugs recreationally becomes and addict.

Agreed.

[T@T]

Personally I blame the CSI's for lower crime-rates

[Acey]

Calgary homicides in 2009 - 23
Detroit homicides in 2009 - 379

[getbak]

Originally Posted by jar_e

I guess its now 15...http://www.660news.com/news/local/ar...alled-homicide

I heard that on the radio today.

If the guy was stabbed, how did it take them so long to determine it was a homicide? Was there a chance it could have been a suicide, or an accident?

[Magnum PEI]

Originally Posted by Acey

Calgary homicides in 2009 - 23
Detroit homicides in 2009 - 379

Apples and oranges.