Recommend a Chiropractor

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by gordo67

Ted Yoshida is the man, I threw my back out about 17 years ago. Couldn't sit, couldn't bend I barely could move. So I went to a chiropracter by my house and she took X-rays and what not and then started her treatment. I went everyday for a few weeks and all it did was get worse. Went to Dr. Yoshida and within a week or two (maybe 3-4 visits) I was good as new. I haven't been back since and never have had a sore back since. I sent my wife to him a few years ago, and he managed to fix her back too. He will do what he needs to and that is it, no multiple visits unless it is needed.

http://www.ratemds.com/doctor-rating...algary-AB.html

DR Yoshida is still alive? Man he was old before I was. Or is this his son?
Does he still smoke?

[Coys1882]

Everyone knows there is a picture of a hot doctor on page 1 right?

[amorak]

Originally Posted by Clutch

Mr. Amorak,

Have you come into a nice healthy debate unarmed?

How are those ultrasound crystals holding up for you?

Mr. Troutman and I were discussing the elimination of every treatment and drug used that didn't have a RDBCT to support it, and how by doing so, we could save the public from those who would subject them to such untested treatment. Where would the public turn than without medicine, chiro, physio, massage?

Mr. Amorak, do you have the answers that we seek?

Chrios are a joke, see every half decent post in here.

They give temproary relief and do not treat the symptoms - See every post here from people who like their chiro - they have to go and see them anywhere from "every week" to "every couple months"

Saying a chiro fixed you is wrong - they can temporarily relieve the symptoms. A physio can fix the symptoms.

Chrios are quacks and I have no problem with them as pain relievers - like an expensive and alternative tylenol.

I have two problems with them

1) You are not a real doctor in any way shape or form. Sure, put it on your door, but never, ever refer to yourself as a doctor, you sullen a real doctors good name.

2) Chiro's never fix anything - they lie 9/10, but if you find a good one I would agree they are useful (if not price) temporary pain relief until a physio/doctor (real)/surgeon addresses the root cause of the issue, as opposed to the symptoms.


a Chiro is like a mechanic fixing your oil leak by saying "come to my garage every week and I will add 1L of oil to your car - fix the problem, goof!

[4X4]

You've never thrown out your back doing something stupid like lifting something heavy or drunken wrestling on a concrete driveway? A chiro will get that kink out of your back.

[Clutch]

Originally Posted by amorak

Chrios are a joke, see every half decent post in here.

They give temproary relief and do not treat the symptoms - See every post here from people who like their chiro - they have to go and see them anywhere from "every week" to "every couple months"

Saying a chiro fixed you is wrong - they can temporarily relieve the symptoms. A physio can fix the symptoms.

Chrios are quacks and I have no problem with them as pain relievers - like an expensive and alternative tylenol.

I have two problems with them

1) You are not a real doctor in any way shape or form. Sure, put it on your door, but never, ever refer to yourself as a doctor, you sullen a real doctors good name.

2) Chiro's never fix anything - they lie 9/10, but if you find a good one I would agree they are useful (if not price) temporary pain relief until a physio/doctor (real)/surgeon addresses the root cause of the issue, as opposed to the symptoms.


a Chiro is like a mechanic fixing your oil leak by saying "come to my garage every week and I will add 1L of oil to your car - fix the problem, goof!

Sounds like a scientific post Mr. Amorak. Thanks for your valuable reply.

But let's look at peer reviewed research journals from medicine itself at its most holy.

In Comparision to Other Treatment Alternatives " Manual therapy scored better than physical therapy on all outcome measures." - Annals of Internal Medicine

For Acute and Chrnic Pain "Patients with chronic low back pain treated by chiropractic showed greater improvement and satisfaction at one month then patients treated by family physicians. - Journal of MAnipulative and Physiological Therapeutics

The clinical outcomes measres showed that manual therapy resulted in faster recovery than physiotherapy and general practioiner care. Moreover, total costs of manual therapy treated patients were about one third of the cost of physiotherapy or general care. - British Medical Journal.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty

There's a reason that kink in your back keeps returning. It isn't fixed, merely dealt with and put aside for when it arises again.

And I don't know why people think chiropractors have a PHD, it's 4 years of schooling on top of an undergrad degree. 8 years /=/ doctor.

A PhD is a doctor of PHILOSOPHY. A real doctor goes to school for 4 years + 5 of med school. Chiropractors just go for four years to a chiropractic college.

[troutman]

http://www.cps.ca/english/statements/CP/cp02-01.htm

Scientific evidence

Physicians question whether chiropractic is effective in treating the variety of conditions for which it is used. Koes et al (20), after conducting a review of systematic randomized clinical trials and taking into account methodological rigour, found insufficient evidence to prove that spinal manipulation is useful for treating either acute or chronic low back pain. Other studies, however, suggest that manipulation may be effective for acute low back pain in adults, but its effectiveness has not been proven in patients with chronic symptoms (21-23). No studies have been published on chiropractic treatment of back pain in a paediatric population.

Systematic reviews of the literature and expert panels suggest that cervical manipulation or mobilization may provide some short term relief for certain individuals with subacute or chronic neck pain (24,25). However, neither the efficacy of manipulation relative to that of other therapies nor the cost effectiveness has been established for these types of problems (4,26). The evidence to support manipulation for conditions such as migraine is even less compelling (26). Once again, there are no specific, well-documented data for the paediatric age group.

http://www.ncahf.org/articles/c-d/chiro.html

http://www.ncahf.org/articles/c-d/chiro.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12779297

[Clutch]

Originally Posted by troutman

http://www.cps.ca/english/statements/CP/cp02-01.htm

Scientific evidence

Physicians question whether chiropractic is effective in treating the variety of conditions for which it is used. Koes et al (20), after conducting a review of systematic randomized clinical trials and taking into account methodological rigour, found insufficient evidence to prove that spinal manipulation is useful for treating either acute or chronic low back pain. Other studies, however, suggest that manipulation may be effective for acute low back pain in adults, but its effectiveness has not been proven in patients with chronic symptoms (21-23). No studies have been published on chiropractic treatment of back pain in a paediatric population.

Systematic reviews of the literature and expert panels suggest that cervical manipulation or mobilization may provide some short term relief for certain individuals with subacute or chronic neck pain (24,25). However, neither the efficacy of manipulation relative to that of other therapies nor the cost effectiveness has been established for these types of problems (4,26). The evidence to support manipulation for conditions such as migraine is even less compelling (26). Once again, there are no specific, well-documented data for the paediatric age group.

http://www.ncahf.org/articles/c-d/chiro.html

Mr. Troutman,

Why don't you list your referances for us?

Thanks in advance.

What's the difference between a personal trainer and a physio?

A personal trainer has more evidence for his exercise protocols.

No evidence exists for physiotherapy modalities.

Patient Satisfaction "Chiropractic patients were found to be more satisfied with their back care providers after 4 weeks of treatment than were medical patients. Additionally, studies conclude that patients are more satisfied with chiropractic care than they were with physical therapy after six weeks. - American Journal of Public Health

[troutman]

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=555

Recently the BCA has responded to this backlash with a statement and a list of studies they claim provides the evidence Singh said was lacking. I won’t address their attempt at damage control, but rather focus on their response regarding the evidence. They write:

In the spirit of wider scientific debate, and having taken appropriate professional advice, the BCA has decided that free speech would be best facilitated by releasing details of research that exists to support the claims which Dr. Singh stated were bogus. This proves that far from being “not a jot of evidence” to support the BCA’s position, there is actually a significant amount.

They follow their statement with a list of 29 studies. This is a short reference list to support several individual medical claims, but actually it is a bloated list that contains many references that do not provide evidence for the claims of the BCA that Sign was criticizing. This is how the 29 references break down:

3 – Risks of NSAID medication
1 – Nature of evidence-based medicine
3 – opinion, chiropractic practice
1 – letter to editor
2 – review
2 – risks of chiropractic
8 – colic
3 – nocturnal enuresis
3 – otitis media
3 – asthma

Therefore, out of the 29 references, only 17 actually provide evidence for the efficacy claims for chiropractic for these four pediatric indications. When each indication is considered, the list of supporting studies is embarrassingly thin. They are also of very poor quality and, as we will see, cherry picked.

[Burninator]

Chiropractors are a spectrum. They range from evidence based (straight) to kooky (traditional). The evidence based ones stick to the lower back and do all the same things that other medical professionals do (weekly adjustments aside). The kooky ones will treat diseases with back adjustments and adjust upper back and neck. The treating disease with back adjustments is a pre-scientific notion and is worthless. But because it's a spectrum you get Chiros on both ends and some in between that mix straight and traditional techniques.

[Clutch]

Originally Posted by troutman

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=555

Recently the BCA has responded to this backlash with a statement and a list of studies they claim provides the evidence Singh said was lacking. I won’t address their attempt at damage control, but rather focus on their response regarding the evidence. They write:

In the spirit of wider scientific debate, and having taken appropriate professional advice, the BCA has decided that free speech would be best facilitated by releasing details of research that exists to support the claims which Dr. Singh stated were bogus. This proves that far from being “not a jot of evidence” to support the BCA’s position, there is actually a significant amount.

They follow their statement with a list of 29 studies. This is a short reference list to support several individual medical claims, but actually it is a bloated list that contains many references that do not provide evidence for the claims of the BCA that Sign was criticizing. This is how the 29 references break down:

3 – Risks of NSAID medication
1 – Nature of evidence-based medicine
3 – opinion, chiropractic practice
1 – letter to editor
2 – review
2 – risks of chiropractic
8 – colic
3 – nocturnal enuresis
3 – otitis media
3 – asthma

Therefore, out of the 29 references, only 17 actually provide evidence for the efficacy claims for chiropractic for these four pediatric indications. When each indication is considered, the list of supporting studies is embarrassingly thin. They are also of very poor quality and, as we will see, cherry picked.

My Trout,

Who is cherry picking?

Popularity of Chiropractic "Chiropractic is the largest, and best recognized of the complementary and alternative medicine (CAM) professions. CAM patient surveys show that chiropractors are used more often than any other alternative provider group and patient satisfaction with chiropractic care is very high. There is steadily increasing patient use of chiropractic in the United States, which has tripled in the past two decades." Annals of Internal Medicine

The great thing about the world is that people have a choice. They vote with their feet and with their wallets.

The biggest frustration in a physio therapist's life is the lack of a doctor title, provided or recognized by anyone. Recently they decided to offer a PhD in Physio. Trout are you a PhD Physio?

Bottom line.

They don't call them therapists for nothing folks.

Massage therapists, physical therapists, physiotherapists, psychotherapists.

Last I looked no professional organization gets to decide what title is confered upon them. The government does. What body represents the population. Government.

[Kybosh]

Originally Posted by Clutch

Last I looked no professional organization gets to decide what title is confered upon them. The government does. What body represents the population. Government.

The government designates professional organizations based on the lobbying of a particular group (ie. chiropractors). It has little to do with what the population as a whole wants.

[Clutch]

Those bad chiros must have a powerful lobby group. Maybe they told the governments they would unleash their back monsters on the world unless they got to call themselves doctors?

Big pharma should be worried. Do they have enough muscle relaxant for the back monster backlash?

[Knut]

Its like debating Tower.. wow

[Drury18]

Based on the two doctorate degree's, who would you rather have treat you:

Doctor of Physiotherapy:
The professional (entry-level) DPT degree is the current degree conferred by 96% of physical therapist professional programs upon successful completion of a three-year post-baccalaureate degree program in the United States, that prepares the graduate to enter the practice of physical therapy. Admission requirements for the program include completion of an undergraduate degree that includes fulfillment of specific prerequisite coursework, volunteer experience or other exposure to the profession, completion of a standardized graduate examination (eg, GRE), letters of reference, personal goals statement, passing the national licensure examination and meeting the requirements of the state(s) in which the physical therapist practices. The physical therapist curriculum consists of foundational sciences (ie, anatomy, cellular histology, neuroscience, kinesiology, physiology, exercise physiology, pathology, pharmacology, radiology/imaging, medical screening), behavioral sciences (communication, social and psychologic factors, ethics and values, law, business and management sciences, clinical reasoning, evidence-based practice) and clinical sciences (cardiovascular/pulmonary, endocrine and metabolic, gastrointestinal and genitourinary, integumentary, musculoskeletal, neuromuscular), and physical therapist practice (patient/client management model, prevention, wellness, and health promotion, practice management, management of care delivery, social responsibility and advocacy, and core values). In addition, learners under the supervision of licensed physical therapists, engage in full-time clinical practice by managing patients/clients with a variety of conditions across the lifespan and with an expectation of providing safe, competent, and effective physical therapy.

Or a Chiropractor:
In addition to the academic program, chiropractic education requires hands-on clinical experience under faculty supervision. This experience includes clinical assessment, diagnosis, treatment, and referral protocols. The multi-disciplinary faculty at both CMCC and UQTR have diverse backgrounds including MD's and PhD's that offer students a wide range of expertise in the medical and clinical sciences. Both the CMCC and the UQTR programs include courses in anatomy, neuroanatomy, neurodiagnosis, neuroscience, biochemistry, physiology, orthopaedics, diagnosis and symptomotalogy, laboratory diagnosis, embryology, principles of chiropractic, radiology, immunology, microbiology, pathology, clinical nutrition and other basic and clinical medical sciences.

Physiotherapists are far better educated in the body mechanics meaning that not only can they provide treatment, but are in a far better position to offer preventive measures so that you can make habit and lifestyle changes in order to correct the problem. Chiropractors just offer a "band-aid" solution to your aches and pains and rarely look into the bigger picture. Yes, physiotherapy takes longer to "cure" your pains, but it is because it is encouraging you to do things in a way that the body does not go through unnatural trauma (i.e. neck manipulations leading to strokes. You can't argue that's natural in anyway if the body response is to stroke) and at a pace that less damaging to the body. Chiropractors can give you quick relief through unnatural movements.

Rapid manual rotation of the head might also cause damage by overcoming the arteries’ normal elasticity, causing tears and blood clots in the intimal lining of the vertebrobasilar arteries. The slow stretching of mobilization within a normal range of movement may be less damaging to arteries than the high-velocity low-amplitude manipulation required to rotate the cervical spine beyond its normal range of motion or to move joints into the paraphysiologic space to produce cavitation.

There is evidence to indicate that cervical spine manipulation and/or mobilization may provide short-term pain relief and range of motion enhancement for persons with subacute or chronic neck pain.1 There is no credible evidence, however, to indicate that neck manipulation is any more effective for relieving mechanical neck disorders than a number of other physical treatment modalities,9 and it is clear that adverse reactions are more likely to occur following manipulation than mobilization.10 (When manipulation is performed, a joint is moved farther than normally possible in an active movement. Passive mobilization moves a joint through its normal range of motion.) Inappropriate cervical spine manipulation may force excessive movement and worsen symptoms related to cervical disc herniation or spondylosis, producing such complications as radiculopathy or myelopathy.11 At least one study has suggested that manual therapy in the form of mobilization is more effective and less costly for treating neck pain that physiotherapy or care by a general practitioner.12 And there is reason to believe that less risk is associated with mobilization than with manipulation.10 There is no justification, however, for use of neck mobilization or manipulation as a treatment for general health problems.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=1037

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Clutch

The biggest frustration in a physio therapist's life is the lack of a doctor title, provided or recognized by anyone. Recently they decided to offer a PhD in Physio. Trout are you a PhD Physio?

So what is the biggest frustration in chiropractor's life? The lack of a respect for their doctor title?

If you graduated from a real medical school, you are a doctor. If you didn't, you aren't.

[Clutch]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Based on the two doctorate degree's, who would you rather have treat you:

Doctor of Physiotherapy:
The professional (entry-level) DPT degree is the current degree conferred by 96% of physical therapist professional programs upon successful completion of a three-year post-baccalaureate degree program in the United States, that prepares the graduate to enter the practice of physical therapy. Admission requirements for the program include completion of an undergraduate degree that includes fulfillment of specific prerequisite coursework, volunteer experience or other exposure to the profession, completion of a standardized graduate examination (eg, GRE), letters of reference, personal goals statement, passing the national licensure examination and meeting the requirements of the state(s) in which the physical therapist practices. The physical therapist curriculum consists of foundational sciences (ie, anatomy, cellular histology, neuroscience, kinesiology, physiology, exercise physiology, pathology, pharmacology, radiology/imaging, medical screening), behavioral sciences (communication, social and psychologic factors, ethics and values, law, business and management sciences, clinical reasoning, evidence-based practice) and clinical sciences (cardiovascular/pulmonary, endocrine and metabolic, gastrointestinal and genitourinary, integumentary, musculoskeletal, neuromuscular), and physical therapist practice (patient/client management model, prevention, wellness, and health promotion, practice management, management of care delivery, social responsibility and advocacy, and core values). In addition, learners under the supervision of licensed physical therapists, engage in full-time clinical practice by managing patients/clients with a variety of conditions across the lifespan and with an expectation of providing safe, competent, and effective physical therapy.

Or a Chiropractor:
In addition to the academic program, chiropractic education requires hands-on clinical experience under faculty supervision. This experience includes clinical assessment, diagnosis, treatment, and referral protocols. The multi-disciplinary faculty at both CMCC and UQTR have diverse backgrounds including MD's and PhD's that offer students a wide range of expertise in the medical and clinical sciences. Both the CMCC and the UQTR programs include courses in anatomy, neuroanatomy, neurodiagnosis, neuroscience, biochemistry, physiology, orthopaedics, diagnosis and symptomotalogy, laboratory diagnosis, embryology, principles of chiropractic, radiology, immunology, microbiology, pathology, clinical nutrition and other basic and clinical medical sciences.

Physiotherapists are far better educated in the body mechanics meaning that not only can they provide treatment, but are in a far better position to offer preventive measures so that you can make habit and lifestyle changes in order to correct the problem. Chiropractors just offer a "band-aid" solution to your aches and pains and rarely look into the bigger picture. Yes, physiotherapy takes longer to "cure" your pains, but it is because it is encouraging you to do things in a way that the body does not go through unnatural trauma (i.e. neck manipulations leading to strokes. You can't argue that's natural in anyway if the body response is to stroke) and at a pace that less damaging to the body. Chiropractors can give you quick relief through unnatural movements.




http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=1037

Please list your evidence that chiropractors cause stroke.

Please then provide your name, profession and business address.

Patients visiting chiropractors and other holistically-oriented physicians who serve as primary care providers (PCPs) have lower utilization costs and higher patient satisfaction levels than patients treated by conventional medical doctors, according to a study published in the May issue of the Journal of Manipulative and Physiological Therapeutics that tracked data from a unique Independent Physicians Association (IPA) where chiropractors serve as first-contact, primary care physicians.

"The escalation of medical expenditures remains an urgent problem in the United States and it’s becoming quite clear that cost containment strategies by conventional medical providers are failing to achieve even mediocre results," said study coauthor James Winterstein, DC. "This study confirms that integration of allopathic, chiropractic and other complementary and alternative medicine (CAM) providers can positively impact patient quality of care while limiting overall costs. This approach to patient care has great potential to improve the U.S. healthcare system."

Led by Richard Sarnat, MD, researchers directly compared cost and clinical utilization data from an integrative CAM Independent Physicians Association (IPA) with conventional medical IPA data from members enrolled in a traditional health maintenance organization (HMO). The recent report analyzes data from 2003 to 2005 and is a follow up to the original report published in 2004, which compared data from 1999 to 2002.

"Our most recent analysis supports earlier findings that patients visiting CAM-orientated primary care physicians (PCP) – primarily chiropractors – experienced fewer hospitalizations, underwent fewer surgeries and used considerably fewer pharmaceuticals than HMO patients who received traditional medical care," Dr. Winterstein said. "Moreover, doctors of chiropractic succeeded in diagnosing and treating patients at a level nearly equal to medical doctors."

Researchers found that over the course of the seven-year study, patients visiting chiropractors and other CAM-oriented PCPs had 60 percent fewer hospitalizations, 62 percent fewer outpatient surgical cases, and 85 percent lower pharmaceutical costs when compared with total network HMO utilization rates and costs. The chiropractors and other CAM doctors treated and managed cases ranging from upper respiratory tract infections and allergies to headaches, orthopedic and other medical conditions.

In 2005, the chiropractic PCPs managed 60 percent of their enrolled patients without requiring a referral to a conventional medical specialist. These data mirror the 2001 findings, which also demonstrated that 60 percent of the patient population within the integrative IPA was solely managed by their chiropractic PCPs.

"The most current data from our ongoing study suggests that doctors of chiropractic are well-suited to provide patients with valuable primary-care services," Dr. Winterstein notes. "We have demonstrated that it is possible to deliver CAM-oriented primary care in a highly regulated environment without compromising either quality or safety."

Patients reported on the quality of care they received through the use of annual patient satisfaction surveys. On average, data from patients enrolled between 2003 and 2005 demonstrated a high degree of satisfaction (96 percent, 94 percent, and 91 percent, respectively). These findings were similar to data from 1999 through 2002 (100 percent, 89 percent, 91 percent, and 90 percent, respectively). The integrative CAM patients consistently rated their experiences more positively than did members enrolled within the HMO’s conventional medical IPAs.

[amorak]

Chiro's are not doctors, they are hacks.
Case closed!

[Clutch]

I'd rather have the guy who can order x-rays and is licensed to diagnose treat me, my chiropractor. Last I heard, no physio can do either. True or false?

Originally Posted by Drury18

Based on the two doctorate degree's, who would you rather have treat you:

Doctor of Physiotherapy:
The professional (entry-level) DPT degree is the current degree conferred by 96% of physical therapist professional programs upon successful completion of a three-year post-baccalaureate degree program in the United States, that prepares the graduate to enter the practice of physical therapy. Admission requirements for the program include completion of an undergraduate degree that includes fulfillment of specific prerequisite coursework, volunteer experience or other exposure to the profession, completion of a standardized graduate examination (eg, GRE), letters of reference, personal goals statement, passing the national licensure examination and meeting the requirements of the state(s) in which the physical therapist practices. The physical therapist curriculum consists of foundational sciences (ie, anatomy, cellular histology, neuroscience, kinesiology, physiology, exercise physiology, pathology, pharmacology, radiology/imaging, medical screening), behavioral sciences (communication, social and psychologic factors, ethics and values, law, business and management sciences, clinical reasoning, evidence-based practice) and clinical sciences (cardiovascular/pulmonary, endocrine and metabolic, gastrointestinal and genitourinary, integumentary, musculoskeletal, neuromuscular), and physical therapist practice (patient/client management model, prevention, wellness, and health promotion, practice management, management of care delivery, social responsibility and advocacy, and core values). In addition, learners under the supervision of licensed physical therapists, engage in full-time clinical practice by managing patients/clients with a variety of conditions across the lifespan and with an expectation of providing safe, competent, and effective physical therapy.

Or a Chiropractor:
In addition to the academic program, chiropractic education requires hands-on clinical experience under faculty supervision. This experience includes clinical assessment, diagnosis, treatment, and referral protocols. The multi-disciplinary faculty at both CMCC and UQTR have diverse backgrounds including MD's and PhD's that offer students a wide range of expertise in the medical and clinical sciences. Both the CMCC and the UQTR programs include courses in anatomy, neuroanatomy, neurodiagnosis, neuroscience, biochemistry, physiology, orthopaedics, diagnosis and symptomotalogy, laboratory diagnosis, embryology, principles of chiropractic, radiology, immunology, microbiology, pathology, clinical nutrition and other basic and clinical medical sciences.

Physiotherapists are far better educated in the body mechanics meaning that not only can they provide treatment, but are in a far better position to offer preventive measures so that you can make habit and lifestyle changes in order to correct the problem. Chiropractors just offer a "band-aid" solution to your aches and pains and rarely look into the bigger picture. Yes, physiotherapy takes longer to "cure" your pains, but it is because it is encouraging you to do things in a way that the body does not go through unnatural trauma (i.e. neck manipulations leading to strokes. You can't argue that's natural in anyway if the body response is to stroke) and at a pace that less damaging to the body. Chiropractors can give you quick relief through unnatural movements.




http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=1037

[Drury18]

Please list your evidence that chiropractors cause stroke.

International Journal of Clinical Practice

Volume 64, Issue 8, pages 1162–1165, July 2010

Summary

Objective:  The aim of this study was to summarise all cases in which chiropractic spinal manipulation was followed by death.


Design:  This study is a systematic review of case reports.


Methods:  Literature searches in four electronic databases with no restrictions of time or language.


Main outcome measure:  Death.


Results:  Twenty six fatalities were published in the medical literature and many more might have remained unpublished. The alleged pathology usually was a vascular accident involving the dissection of a vertebral artery.


Conclusion:  Numerous deaths have occurred after chiropractic manipulations. The risks of this treatment by far outweigh its benefit


I'd like to see your degree first because quite frankly this has turned into a who can quote the better website arguement with very little being said to explain why the practices of a chiropractor are better then the rest (aside from your absolutely adorable comparison between a personal trainer and physiotherapist). I'd love to hear how Chiropractor feels that pushing a body past it natural range of motion is more helpful then harmful to an injury. And why they use techniques of force, rather then natural movement in order to produce a quicker result. Basic kinesiology tells us that the body is only meant to move within a range and any movements outside of this range create the injury. If the person has already done this and coming to you to seek treatment why is the treatment more movement beyond this range? When did two wrongs make a right?