Iranian woman to be stoned for adultery

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Why should you choose or care what I get offended from? does anyone care what you get offended from? I'm sure I can draw a bunch of cartoons that could offend you, but why would I? why should I draw a cartoon out of hatred towards you?

I don't care what offends you. Nobody cares what offends me. I'm sure you can draw cartoons that would offend me. Go ahead. I just won't look at them, and I won't apply any supernatural consequences to it if I (or anyone else) happen to see them.

It is quite easy to avoid being offended. It's even easier to act like a rational human being when it does happen.

Originally Posted by puckluck

Is there any other reason for any cartoon to be made out of hatred? free speech? Bologna...that's just a cover up for the hatred the cartoons are trying to spread.

So you think those cartoonists drew those pictures because they hate Muslims, and not for the reasons they stated (exercising free speech, ending self-censorship et cetera...)?

They were lying about all that stuff, and simply hate everyone who follows that particular faith?

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

So what's the solution? Protest? Stop funding? Where do extremists get money? It's not a war fought on the battleground, it's a philosophical change.

I know you and your community are doing all the right things. It has to begin at our civilian level. Then it goes up to government. Get the true Muslims to run for political office and be in positions of importance and make a difference in the western world. Get the message out into the media. It never gets into the media because there aren't important Muslims in power. And maybe it will funnel to Muslim countries.

Bring the good things in Western society (if you think there are any) and compliment them with Muslim values.

Im sorry, but that will never ever work. That will only add fuel to their fire.

And stop funding from who? good luck trying to stop Iran from giving them money.

It's a lot easier said than done. People there are just trying to survive on a daily basis not worry about protesting and change. There will be no revolution there and never will be. The best solution would be to stop invading their countries.

I'm really trying to understand the issues. My friends complain to me about this and that and I really don't know where to begin. One of them is seeing a Catholic guy... it's not a good situation at all.

My best friend is Muslim and is married to a Christian and they have 3 kids. her dad is a hard core religious guy and refuses to see the kids or her because she married a muslim. It really does work both ways.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I don't care what offends you. Nobody cares what offends me. I'm sure you can draw cartoons that would offend me. Go ahead. I just won't look at them, and I won't apply any supernatural consequences to it if I (or anyone else) happen to see them.

It is quite easy to avoid being offended. It's even easier to act like a rational human being when it does happen.

I never asked you to care about what offends me. I'm not the one threatening to blow up people if I'm offended.

Did I say anywhere that they are acting rational? Don't really no why you quoted my post in the first place to spew off all of that as it really makes no sense in regards to my post.

So you think those cartoonists drew those pictures because they hate Muslims, and not for the reasons they stated (exercising free speech, ending self-censorship et cetera...)?

They were lying about all that stuff, and simply hate everyone who follows that particular faith?

Yes they drew those pictures out of hatred and not out of freedom of speech or press. That's exactly what I'm saying.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by puckluck

So I should fly over to Iraq and start killing extremists? How would the "billions" of muslims stop them from creating terror?

If the best army in the world can't do it how do you expect the muslim population to do it? You can't just say STOP! and they'll just listen. You speak out against them and they will kill you. Simple as that.

And muslims in the Western world do speak out against them. I go to Friday prayer every week and the sheikh there regularly calls them (extremists) out as not being true muslims. Calls them a lot of other bad names too, but of course that will never get in the media.

This is a fundamental problem with the muslim religion, do the gangs in America run the show here? citizens turn them in for wrong behaviour all the time because it's against the law to murder.steal..etc.

For Muslims they turn the blind eye to atrocity's because the laws they live by are full of violence and it's the laws that are controlled by the religion, the Quran itself can be interpreted to command JIHAD by its followers upon the apostate and upon the one who rejects the faith once it has been shared with them. It practices deception not telling you that earlier verses of peace are actually abrogated and replaced by later verses of JIHAD. Of the 99 names for Allah, he is called al-mutakabbiru (the most proud one, Satan), al-mumit (the one who causes death), and al-makkir (the great deceiver).

And NO I don't hate the people who believe in religions, I hate religion because I think it's such a waste for a grown adult to run their lifes based on fairytales. The human brain should be well past this by now.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by T@T

This is a fundamental problem with the muslim religion, do the gangs in America run the show here? citizens turn them in for wrong behaviour all the time because it's against the law to murder.steal..etc.

For Muslims they turn the blind eye to atrocity's because the laws they live by are full of violence and it's the laws that are controlled by the religion, the Quran itself can be interpreted to command JIHAD by its followers upon the apostate and upon the one who rejects the faith once it has been shared with them. It practices deception not telling you that earlier verses of peace are actually abrogated and replaced by later verses of JIHAD. Of the 99 names for Allah, he is called al-mutakabbiru (the most proud one, Satan), al-mumit (the one who causes death), and al-makkir (the great deceiver).

And NO I don't hate the people who believe in religions, I hate religion because I think it's such a waste for a grown adult to run their lifes based on fairytales. The human brain should be well past this by now.

You seriously just compared the gangs in America to Extremists? Yeah sorry that Haifa and Mohammed never called 1-800-crimestoppers on Hassan the neighbor for making bombs. I think they were a little busy worrying about their next meal and if they were going to survive the night without being bombed themselves.

And you compared America to a religion which makes no sense also. You say you hate all religions but it seems like your whole life is commited to talking about religion. That's all I ever see you post about.... Israel and the rest of the Middle

Also have no clue why you posted any of that ther stuff as I honestly have no clue what it means. So if you're looking for a battle on what in the quran is right or wrong you'll have to look somewhere else as you probably know more about the quran than I do.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by puckluck

My best friend is Muslim and is married to a Christian and they have 3 kids. her dad is a hard core religious guy and refuses to see the kids or her because she married a muslim. It really does work both ways.

I guess so. Just that she's having a tough time. Not only is her dad refusing to see her again...he's threatening worse. I think this is what Canadian have a problem with.

But again, that's another issue. I guess the question I have is how did extremist start and how has become this extreme and how do Muslims stop it?

Is saying that over the decades Muslims let this happen and are now feeling the backlash of profiling, an unfair statement?

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I guess so. Just that she's having a tough time. Not only is her dad refusing to see her again...he's threatening worse. I think this is what Canadian have a problem with.

Every situation is different I guess. My friend's family wasn't the most happiest at first, but they worked it out and she's a part of the family. Her dad on the other hand wanted to kill her. A lot of races have the old style thinking of only marrying into your own race and I think in the next 100 years that will be old news as alot of Canadian citizens that are kids of immigrants are having kids of their own and really their culture will be lost in the mix.

But again, that's another issue. I guess the question I have is how did extremist start and how has become this extreme and how do Muslims stop it?

Your guess is better than mine. I don't think it can be stopped to be honest, Just controlled.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by puckluck

You seriously just compared the gangs in America to Extremists?

Given the chance the gangs of America could do far more damage then these extremists.

Originally Posted by puckluck

And you compared America to a religion which makes no sense also.

Where did I do that? I compared what citizens in America do against crimes to what citizens in Muslim country's do against crimes.

Originally Posted by puckluck

You say you hate all religions but it seems like your whole life is commited to talking about religion. That's all I ever see you post about....

I'm the Bill Mahar of CP

Originally Posted by puckluck

Also have no clue why you posted any of that ther stuff as I honestly have no clue what it means. So if you're looking for a battle on what in the quran is right or wrong you'll have to look somewhere else as you probably know more about the quran than I do.

Not looking for a battle at all, you said your sheikh regularly calls them (extremists) out as not being true muslims.

Who do he call them out too? Why don't all the good sheikh's get together and preach this to a world forum, why do they sit on their collective asses and watch these atrocities happen? I'll tell you why! because the quran would be torn in half and thrown away.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by T@T

Not looking for a battle at all, you said your sheikh regularly calls them (extremists) out as not being true muslims.

Who do he call them out too? Why don't all the good sheikh's get together and preach this to a world forum, why do they sit on their collective asses and watch these atrocities happen? I'll tell you why! because the quran would be torn in half and thrown away.

To the thousands in attendance.

Because what would calling them out on a world forum do? Sheikhs can talk all they want, but to a extremist anyone who disagrees with them is a enemy, and again would only add fuel to their fire. It's not like they're going to listen to any word they say.

I'm atleast glad they are condeming them to the people of Calgary and Canada.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

What this women did was wrong. She shamed her husband and children(if any) as well as her parents. In her culture she did about the worst thing a women can do. She did this and risked a death sentence for what? A little afternoon delight?

Another problem is until she was tortured she said she was innocent, her kids(yes she has them) say she is innocent to this day. apparently there is no ounce of proof that she did anything wrong at all.

Not that this matters anyway as "A little afternoon delight" shouldn't be a death sentence ANYWHERE.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by puckluck

To the thousands in attendance.

Because what would calling them out on a world forum do? Sheikhs can talk all they want, but to a extremist anyone who disagrees with them is a enemy, and again would only add fuel to their fire. It's not like they're going to listen to any word they say.

I'm atleast glad they are condeming them to the people of Calgary and Canada.

So you agree then, there is fundamental problem with the muslim religion.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by puckluck

I never asked you to care about what offends me. I'm not the one threatening to blow up people if I'm offended.

Did I say anywhere that they are acting rational? Don't really no why you quoted my post in the first place to spew off all of that as it really makes no sense in regards to my post.

I thought it was all pretty straightforward, but I guess it was too much.

Anyway, I do appreciate the use of the word "spew" in there. Very crafty.

Originally Posted by puckluck

Yes they drew those pictures out of hatred and not out of freedom of speech or press. That's exactly what I'm saying.

So that's a yes. You think they were lying.

Riddle me this, then. Why don't those political cartoonists do this every day? And hy don't they do something that is really offensive? A doodle of a guy with a turban isn't going to stir up fires of hate. To the rest of us, it's just a doodle of a guy in a turban. It doesn't mean anything. Get it? There is no message in that picture for non-Muslim people.

It's just a drawing to prove a point. It worked.

[Reggie Dunlop]

http://www.canada.com/news/Sakineh+p...874/story.html

Conflicting reports that Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani may have been released.

Remaining in Iran however just makes her a sitting target.

[Hanni]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

http://www.canada.com/news/Sakineh+p...874/story.html

Conflicting reports that Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani may have been released.

Remaining in Iran however just makes her a sitting target.

Well this didn't take long, now Iran is saying that she has confessed to everything.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11967044

Iran's state-run Press TV says it has filmed a new confession with Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, a woman sentenced to death by stoning for adultery.

"Contrary to a vast publicity campaign by Western media that confessed murderer Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani has been released, a team of broadcast production team with the Iran-based Press TV has arranged with Iran's judicial authorities to follow Ashtiani to her house to produce a visual recount of the crime at the murder scene," Press TV said on its website.

[Thor]

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Thor

Sad but true.

[CaptainCrunch]

Everyone keeps saying to me "Just you wait Captain (No not really they use my real name), the youth in Iran will rise up and overthrow this hideous, monstrous goverment, and we'll have a liberal society in Iran one day"

Not going to happen as long as Iran continues to successfully recruit and indoctrinate revolutionary guard formations. Not going to happen as long as the Iranian government controls all of the guns.

Iran will continue to be a state that causes major disruption in that region while they continue to run their training schools to create terrorists for export.

At the end of the day, a nuclear armed Iran is not a happy prospect because unlike North Korea who has a rationallity that this life is the only thing you know and if you use nukes that will end.

These nut jobs in power firmly believe that what happens in this life is somewhat irrelevatnt on a political scale because they will be awarded in paradise.

[Textcritic]

^
It is called "apocalypticism", and it is in my opinion the real modern threat of religion facing this world. It is what should have been made much more explicit in Bill Maher's Religulous, as it was really at the heart of everything that is wrong with religion.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Not going to happen as long as Iran continues to successfully recruit and indoctrinate revolutionary guard formations. Not going to happen as long as the Iranian government controls all of the guns.

Another problem is the Revolutionary guard controls a vast amount of their economy from ownership in construction companies to technology firms. More money -> More revolutionary guard units -> More oppression and craziness.

At this point, unless a lot of blood is spilled and people get really pissed, the green revolution seems to have completely floundered.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

At the end of the day, a nuclear armed Iran is not a happy prospect because unlike North Korea who has a rationallity that this life is the only thing you know and if you use nukes that will end.

These nut jobs in power firmly believe that what happens in this life is somewhat irrelevatnt on a political scale because they will be awarded in paradise.

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