When do they finally Axe Park N Ride?

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Kerplunk

Does anyone recall how much it cost to install the system in the first place?

Wonder if any of the money made to this point will go towards improving some of the lots. I know the increasing pot hole sizes give better security, but come on.

It probably cost about 5 bucks because it's tied into the city's parking system, they just used infrastructure that was already there.

[ken0042]

I'm going to guess a little more than $5; those computer terminals that you make you payment on gotta be at least $100 each; if not more.

However they said it brought in $6 million per year; I would say all the signage and the machines couldn't have been anywhere near that. So it isn't like the city lost money on only having it for 1-2 years.

[GGG]

I am disappointed. I would have perferred supply and demand pricing. Free at Anderson $4 a car at somerset and different prices at every lot just like downtown.

[algernon]

Hopefully, they re-address the issue once they get the card system going.
I'd like to see a tiered system to be equitable, in terms of stakeholders. I'd also like to see some new ways to encourage even higher ridership, as more riders=less cars on the roads=less $100 million interchanges/less frequent re-surfacing/less traffic.

Swipe to ride
$2.75 for residents, $3.25 for non-residents, $3.50 Cash for non card holders.
Swipe to park
$3.00 for residents, $3.50 for non-residents, $4.00 Cash for non card holders.$10.00 for 24 hour parking

Ridership Rebate
make 30 trips a month = $15 credit to card
make 40 trips a month = $20 credit to card
make 50 trips a month = $25 credit to card
make 60+ trips a month = $35 credit to card

I would think this carry-over system would encourage people to leave their cars at home more often, and maybe even consider using transit for errands and off business hour trips.
I wouldn't rebate the parking, as people should be using Transit for their whole trips, IMO, and as stated, only a few thousand people aren't with in 400 metres of a bus stop.

Oh, and I'd like to apologize for attacking all bedroom community dwellers, as I was really only taking issue with the OP's entitled attitude, and probably went over the line in a few of my posts.

[frinkprof]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

Okay. I got in trouble from some posters because I felt like you were being an ass with your answer. I am honestly confused by your posting about LOGIC. Are you saying that the word is being used incorrectly or are you saying that the his/my logic does not make sense.

No worries. To be honest, I'm kind of confused myself. I think the word tripping us both up is "logic," and since it was used by him when referring to some unknown scenario, and then by you applying it to another scenario, I think I misinterpreted you somewhere.

Anyway, to retrace a bit, what I think puckluck may have meant, perhaps without realizing it at the time, was "paying $8 (actually $8.50) is not something I would be willing to pay for what I envision myself using it for based on the typical places I go at the times of day that I do so and the alternatives I have available to me."

What he said sounded like a general statement that would apply to the full range of scenarios (including competing for parking in downtown), and yes he also used the word logic when speaking of a costing scheme that is very complex to analyze. To speak about the logic of the situation would involve taking into account a range of peoples' situations, balancing the costs of various alternatives, incremental costs of providing certain services vs. the costs of not providing them, supply/demand impacts of various pricing models, etc, etc.

Putting the word "logic" aside, even the word he used in a later post, "unreasonable," followed by no reasoning or analysis of why, doesn't exactly cut it either. The service costs what it costs, with those costs being split between taxpayers, and two forms of payment by users (Park N' Ride and fares). Any discussion of reasonableness stems from the split. Depending on your philosophy, you could argue that users paying any less than 100% is unreasonable, and conversely anything more than 0% is unreasonable, with infinite balancing act possibilities in between.

Anyway, to make a long story short, I wasn't taking issue with his use of the word "logic" perse, but more about the complete absurdity of simply stating "$X doesn't seem logical" with nothing following it.

Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

I already did a scenerio where it would cost $8.50 a day for transit. I compared that to finding a spot to park for $10 a day. Where before the best parking I could find was $16 a day.

So I will add it up.

Taking transit at $8.50 a day is a logical solution when parking alone costs $16.

But then taking transit at $8.50 a day is not logical when parking alone costs me $10.

I know I am not adding in the cost of driving my vehicle to work. But that is a white wash with the added convenience of having my vehicle.

So to me the it is logical to take transit if I am reducing my costs by $7.50 a day. But it does not make sense if I am only reducing my costs by $1.50.

So with the no fee parking at the transit station the daily cost is now $5.50. So the difference is now $4.50. Which is pretty close. I could get a book of tickets so then that makes it $5.00 for transit. So a net of $5 difference. Pretty darn close to being the magic amount of saving.

So now the decision is about what is happening that day. Weather, my schedule etc...

Sure. Transit may not be the best alternative, for the particular situation you've laid out, and the balancing and rationalizing of things you've done for yourself (overall convenience weighing saved time, walking from your parking spot to your office, etc.). Myriad such situations and similar balancing of alternatives exist for every individual. To apply the particular circumstances to the general is where mistakes can be made. Not that you have done so, but puckluck came off as if he were.

[Clarkey]

You should have to pay a couple bucks to cross the peace bridge, and another buck to enter Prince's Island Park, and pay a quarter to sit on a bench.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Clarkey

You should have to pay a couple bucks to cross the peace bridge, and another buck to enter Prince's Island Park, and pay a quarter to sit on a bench.

Only if you are from Okotoks!!

[Dion]

Elimination of fee won't means cuts to LRT security

Nenshi said there should never have been a connection drawn between fee revenue and security and maintenance on the LRT.

"It was a completely artificial link," Nenshi said Thursday. "It was never true. Every dollar that we raise from any place goes into general revenue and every dollar that we spend comes out of general revenue."

Even though the fee was scrapped, transit will actually get 12 more peace officers next year after council approved the 2011 city budget on Thursday. That brings the full complement of transit officers to 73.

Cut from the budget, however, were 17 transit cleaning positions that had been approved for 2011.

In October, the LRT park-and-ride lots were only at 65 per cent capacity. Still, it was a jump from the year before; then they sat at 59 per cent.

A city spokesman couldn't say how much it cost to buy and install the ParkPlus machines, but said those not needed would be sold back to the Calgary Parking Authority at a depreciated value.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/busines...379/story.html

[JustAnotherGuy]

Originally Posted by algernon

I did. If you have no counter argument, then F/O.

Oh my. What does F/O stand for exactly. You seem as tightly wound as B Sutter. Did you read his lips after that second Wild goal last night?

[JustAnotherGuy]

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[algernon]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

Oh my. What does F/O stand for exactly. You seem as tightly wound as B Sutter. Did you read his lips after that second Wild goal last night?

Wow, it's been stewing in your mind for quite sometime, hasn't it?
F/O= Figure it Out.

I'm not gay, but gay slurs are on par with racial slurs these days. Hate before you get to know the person is irrational. Once you get to know that a person is an #######, then it's more acceptable to slur the prick.

Oh, and I thought you requested a self ban, nagger.

[JustAnotherGuy]

Originally Posted by algernon

Wow, it's been stewing in your mind for quite sometime, hasn't it?
F/O= Figure it Out.

I'm not gay, but gay slurs are on par with racial slurs these days. Hate before you get to know the person is irrational. Once you get to know that a person is an #######, then it's more acceptable to slur the prick.

Oh, and I thought you requested a self ban, nagger.

I have been away. Yawn, please come up with something better to try to get me started. My self ban was almost two years ago.

FIO = Figure it Out, FIOFY = Figure it Out For Yourself.

[Ducay]

So......how about that park and ride eh?

[JustAnotherGuy]

Originally Posted by algernon

Hopefully, they re-address the issue once they get the card system going.
I'd like to see a tiered system to be equitable, in terms of stakeholders. I'd also like to see some new ways to encourage even higher ridership, as more riders=less cars on the roads=less $100 million interchanges/less frequent re-surfacing/less traffic.

Swipe to ride
$2.75 for residents, $3.25 for non-residents, $3.50 Cash for non card holders.
Swipe to park
$3.00 for residents, $3.50 for non-residents, $4.00 Cash for non card holders.$10.00 for 24 hour parking

Ridership Rebate
make 30 trips a month = $15 credit to card
make 40 trips a month = $20 credit to card
make 50 trips a month = $25 credit to card
make 60+ trips a month = $35 credit to card

I would think this carry-over system would encourage people to leave their cars at home more often, and maybe even consider using transit for errands and off business hour trips.
I wouldn't rebate the parking, as people should be using Transit for their whole trips, IMO, and as stated, only a few thousand people aren't with in 400 metres of a bus stop.

Oh, and I'd like to apologize for attacking all bedroom community dwellers, as I was really only taking issue with the OP's entitled attitude, and probably went over the line in a few of my posts.

I agree with your idea of a tiered system. I think the parking is too high though.

[algernon]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

I agree with your idea of a tiered system. I think the parking is too high though.

Yeah, I was thinking that a little higher fee would encourage more bus ridership, and ease congestion in the lots.

Has anyone noticed that the thread title is asking when the Park N' Ride is to be axed? I think that's going too far, but we should be encouraging less cars, not more, and the 24 hour option could encourage more responsible behavior, allowing people to go out on a jag, with out worrying that their car would be towed.

[Clarkey]

Originally Posted by algernon

Yeah, I was thinking that a little higher fee would encourage more bus ridership, and ease congestion in the lots.

Has anyone noticed that the thread title is asking when the Park N' Ride is to be axed? I think that's going too far, but we should be encouraging less cars, not more, and the 24 hour option could encourage more responsible behavior, allowing people to go out on a jag, with out worrying that their car would be towed.

Cars bad, grrr.

[algernon]

Originally Posted by Clarkey

Cars bad, grrr.

Haha. Less cars on the road good. Yeahhhh.
The point is that if more people use transit for their whole trip, the more utilized the transit system is, which is the goal of Mass Transit, isn't it?

[frinkprof]

Cross-posting in this thread. I also posted this in the Calgary Transit Discussion thread but figured it was relevant here too:

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Here's a new survey by Calgary Transit regarding the Park and Ride fee. Asks questions about your use of the lots before and after the fee was implemented, your evaluation of aspects of the service, your opinion on the proposed paid-reserved spots idea for portions of the lots, etc.

It takes about 5 minutes to do and is for both users and non-users of the Park and Ride lots.

Calgary Transit link: http://www.calgarytransit.com/survey/index.html

Survey itself: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/CT2011ParkAndRideSurvey

[puckluck]

So have they finally axed park and ride? and what was the answer?

[frinkprof]

Originally Posted by puckluck

So have they finally axed park and ride? and what was the answer?

...to what?