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Old 08-01-2004, 11:52 AM   #61
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Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan+Jul 31 2004, 07:04 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Displaced Flames fan @ Jul 31 2004, 07:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-FlamesAllTheWay@Jul 31 2004, 02:53 AM

No you don't. Many people nowadays are becoming so idealogically divided that they don't really hold 'their side' accountable for anything. Look how many people don't care they were misled about WMD's in Iraq (ex: "Well, at least we got rid of Saddam..."). The Liberals staying in power as the governing party of Canada as well.

Second, if you lie and get caught, all you need is a scapegoat. CIA, FBI, Clinton, etc, in this case...
Come on now....you're reaching. You and I both know that with all the vocal protest both within the US and internationally that the administration KNEW that getting another 4 years in office likely depended on everything they said about Iraq being proven true.

Do you really think they'd go knowing that there was nothing there and say we'll just blame the CIA and believe they'd get re-elected?

I don't.

Bush isn't THAT stupid, and neither are the people who surround him. [/b][/quote]
I'm not reaching at all. The fact that alot of the evidence for going to war turned out to be false but that Bush and Kerry are still in a dead heat shows at least a good chunk of people don't really care. Or they think it was all the CIA or Clinton, heh.

Also, the Bush admin's "plan" for post-war Iraq seemed to rely heavily upon Iraqi's embracing the Liberating US forces with open arms instead of basically saying "thanks for getting rid of Saddam, now get out". According to this, Iraq should've been well on it's way to becoming a fledgling democracy, which would probably look alot better in the voters eyes, instead of the mess it is right now...

Anyways, off to work with me...
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Old 08-01-2004, 12:17 PM   #62
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The problem with Iraqis `not wanting` democracy is the alternative they `want.` As a mess they are now or a Taliban-like hellhole religious fanatics are trying to build they are a threat to both freedom loving Iraqis and the Western world. And as such they have to be dealt with even if its not pretty.

In history, Japan is one example where the US had to kick some sense into a country with nonexistent democratic past. Japanese themselves were not necessarily happy about foreign power planting democracy in their country.

Different opinions are all fine and cool until they start to threaten lives and property of other people. One cannot have `an opinion` it is allright to blow up `infidels,` trade women for two sheep and a camel and then lock them up in caves, terrorize other people etc.
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