Anti McD's Ad

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Thor

Nonsense. Greek's, Italians are famous for being food lovers who eat meat, vegetables and live long and healthy lives.

There is nothing wrong with meat, biologically speaking, there's a whole other debate about the ethics, I respect your right to not eat meat because of that.

Iceland for example wouldn't have people living here if it wasn't for fish. Countless Islands around the world need the sea to live off of, but I suppose those people are unethical haters of animals right

well you are seriously not speaking from an educated viewpoint then...LOL
The fact that Italians and Greeks etc eat meat and live longer than Americans has nothing to do with their Mediterranean diet. It has to do with the fact they get 5-6 weeks vacation per year and take it. They take afternoon siestas. They live a far more relaxing lifestyle and would likely live longer if they ate a Vegetarian diet!

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

Give me a break, calling me the MEAT lobby is bull****. I have nothing against a vegetarian/vegan diet, but don't tell me that it is the only healthy way of living. I would have the same comment about someone saying that the only healthy diet is a high protein diet.

This is an organization that promotes an agenda under the guise of medical advice, just because they call themselves a "Physicians Committee"

http://activistcash.com/organization...sible-medicine

Haha... the "meat lobby". I love it. It sounds like something to call a ho.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

Give me a break, calling me the MEAT lobby is bull****. I have nothing against a vegetarian/vegan diet, but don't tell me that it is the only healthy way of living. I would have the same comment about someone saying that the only healthy diet is a high protein diet.

This is an organization that promotes an agenda under the guise of medical advice, just because they call themselves a "Physicians Committee"

http://activistcash.com/organization...sible-medicine

Well I disagree with you completely, and I do not belong to PETA LOL. The meat Lobby is huge and most people buy right into it. I personally don't care that you or anyone does, it matters not to me.
Yes a Veggie/Vegan diet is better than ANY diet that includes meat and I would also never prescribe a High Protein diet or any other style of "diet" for that matter. Being a Veggie is NOT a diet LOL, just as eating meat is not. It is simply a better way to eat.

[REDVAN]

I think the logo trace was a bit much- if the point is to tell people to be healthier, then singling out one fast food chain isn't the correct method.

I also disagree that vegetarianism is the only healthy way to go. It's also not feasible for many. There are better ways to get people to cut down on meat (and salt, fats etc) without making them feel bad about their choices up until now.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Ark2

Nutrition information is made available though at restaurant locations and online, so it's not like they are hiding anything. Additionally, eating a hamburger at McDonalds is not going to kill you if it is done in moderation, and everyone knows this. I don't understand why people are incapable of taking responsibility for their actions. Ads may entice a consumer to purchase a certain product, but they don't infringe on that consumer's free will. If someone chooses to have a poor diet, then that is on them and no one else.

At any rate, this ad is pretty brutal. It would be one thing if they were advocating eating healthier, but they aren't. They are advocating that eating meat is wrong and are lying that a vegetarian diet is healthier. Had they ended this ridiculous ad by saying something like "Tonight, make it in your kitchen" rather than "make it vegetarian" then I could attempt to look past their alarmist views and consider their message. For some reason, the vegan/vegetarian groups are among the most smug, dishonest people around.

The issue you forget is...most people dont look at in store nutrition info, let alone log on to their site to check it out. Some people need to be hit with a blunt object to understand what is wrong with a product...you obviously dont.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Thor

Nonsense. Greek's, Italians are famous for being food lovers who eat meat, vegetables and live long and healthy lives.

There is nothing wrong with meat, biologically speaking, there's a whole other debate about the ethics, I respect your right to not eat meat because of that.

Biologically speaking, we're not all that well equipped to eat meat. Level the playing field with the rest of nature (i.e. don't use any tools, utensils, fire or cooking methods) and we're unable to eat meat like carnivores.

If, biologically speaking, we were like other carnivores, you should have no problem grabbing a chicken, killing it with only your hands/feet/teeth and then tearing it apart with only your hands/feet/teeth and eating it raw.



I'm not on some hippie crusade here or nothing - I'm going home to grill up a burger pretty quick here... Just pointing out facts...

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by Cheese

well you are seriously not speaking from an educated viewpoint then...LOL
The fact that Italians and Greeks etc eat meat and live longer than Americans has nothing to do with their Mediterranean diet. It has to do with the fact they get 5-6 weeks vacation per year and take it. They take afternoon siestas. They live a far more relaxing lifestyle and would likely live longer if they ate a Vegetarian diet!

Making up your own facts does make you sound more educated, I have to give you that LOL Correlation and causality are very different my friend.

Japan has the highest life expectancy, and one of the lowest vacation allotments in the world. You can argue the Japanese probably live one of the most stressful lives in the world too, but eat nowhere near a vegetarian diet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ife_expectancy
http://www.timesizing.com/1vacatns.htm

[Jason14h]

With the load overweight people put on the health system I think it's a great premise! Terrrible add though. It actually kind of made me want fast food now!

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

Biologically speaking, we're not all that well equipped to eat meat. Level the playing field with the rest of nature (i.e. don't use any tools, utensils, fire or cooking methods) and we're unable to eat meat like carnivores.

If, biologically speaking, we were like other carnivores, you should have no problem grabbing a chicken, killing it with only your hands/feet/teeth and then tearing it apart with only your hands/feet/teeth and eating it raw.



I'm not on some hippie crusade here or nothing - I'm going home to grill up a burger pretty quick here... Just pointing out facts...

And are you suggesting that after leveling the playing field, no tools, utensils etc... you will be able to grow, harvest, clean and eat nutritious vegetarian meals everyday?

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

And are you suggesting that after leveling the playing field, no tools, utensils etc... you will be able to grow, harvest, clean and eat nutritious vegetarian meals everyday?

Biologically... sure - no problems.
To answer your question though: in the right climate/environment, you'd be able to forage and eat just fine with no tools.

[Reggie Dunlop]

McDonald's sucks. I've boycotted it for decades now. They are the corporate prototype for everything that's wrong with America.

Any campaign maligning McDonald's gets a thumbs-up from me. And I'm not even a vegetarian.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

Making up your own facts does make you sound more educated, I have to give you that LOL Correlation and causality are very different my friend.

Japan has the highest life expectancy, and one of the lowest vacation allotments in the world. You can argue the Japanese probably live one of the most stressful lives in the world too, but eat nowhere near a vegetarian diet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ife_expectancy
http://www.timesizing.com/1vacatns.htm

Actually Japanese have the closest thing to a Veggie diet going. The meat they eat is usually fish and they have very little use of Oils in their cooking. Oh and I dont make up my own facts...I actually study them.

...the average Japanese person eats about 25% fewer calories per day than the average American, which could partly explain their lengthy lifespan. Eating just 8% fewer calories per day, while moderately increasing your activity level, may be enough to promote longer life, research from the University of Florida College of Medicine suggests. And cutting calories doesn't have to be painful. The secret is to replace energy-dense foods (those containing a higher number of calories per gram), like chocolate, potato chips, and cookies, with those that are less energy-dense, like fruits, vegetables, and broth-based soups (all, not coincidentally, a daily part of the Japanese diet). In a study from Pennsylvania State University, researchers served women meals that were 25% smaller than average and contained 30% fewer calories according to the principles of energy density. They ended up eating an average of 800 calories less per day -- all without even missing the extra food.

Veggie delight. " Japan is kind of a vegetable-crazed nation," Moriyama says. When Japanese women were asked which home-cooked meals they most loved to prepare for their families, "mixed vegetables simmered in seasoned broth" received the highest ranking. Red bell peppers, green beans, zucchini, eggplant, onions, burdock, tomatoes, green peppers, lettuce, carrots, spinach, bamboo shoots, beets, lotus root, turnips, daikon (or giant white radish), ake mushrooms, sweet potatoes, and seaweed (or sea vegetables), such as kombu, nori, and wakame all have a place in the Japanese diet.
As many as four or five different varieties are served in a single meal -- and no one thinks it odd to have vegetable soup or a salad for breakfast. Veggies are served simmered in seasoned broth, stir-fried in a small bit of canola oil, or lightly steamed -- all methods that maintain a maximum amount of nutrients.

[LChoy]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

Biologically speaking, we're not all that well equipped to eat meat. Level the playing field with the rest of nature (i.e. don't use any tools, utensils, fire or cooking methods) and we're unable to eat meat like carnivores.

If, biologically speaking, we were like other carnivores, you should have no problem grabbing a chicken, killing it with only your hands/feet/teeth and then tearing it apart with only your hands/feet/teeth and eating it raw.



I'm not on some hippie crusade here or nothing - I'm going home to grill up a burger pretty quick here... Just pointing out facts...

technically, we are biologically omnivores. We aren't specialized to eat only meat or only grain/veggie. We evolved from a hunter/gather species.

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

Biologically... sure - no problems.
To answer your question though: in the right climate/environment, you'd be able to forage and eat just fine with no tools.

Food For Thought: Meat-Based Diet Made Us Smarter

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128849908

[FlamesAddiction]

I love the food, but it makes me feel like garbage so I don't eat there.

And their "healthier" menu items just suck.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Lchoy

technically, we are biologically omnivores. We aren't specialized to eat only meat or only grain/veggie. We evolved from a hunter/gather species.

Yep, humans are scavengers. Everything about the way we are physically and mentally built makes us evolved for scavenging. Most scavengers are omnivores and opportunists.

[Locke]

How do you find a vegetarian on an anonymous message board?

Dont worry, they'll let you know.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Yep, humans are scavengers. Everything about the way we are physically and mentally built makes us evolved for scavenging. Most scavengers are omnivores and opportunists.

The Comparative anatomy of Eating

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Lchoy

technically, we are biologically omnivores. We aren't specialized to eat only meat or only grain/veggie. We evolved from a hunter/gather species.

Originally Posted by oilyfan

Food For Thought: Meat-Based Diet Made Us Smarter

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128849908

I'm pretty happy with my meat and I'm not trying to convince anyone to go vegan here. All I'm pointing out is that in a strictly biological makeup, we are quite different from other meat eaters. Name another meat eater that can't handle eating it's prey raw. Also, think you'd be able to bite/tear through a cow hide to get to your dinner? I can't think of another omnivore/carnivore like us in those respects.

With that said:
An omnivorous diet (done right) is very good for you.
A vegetarian diet (done right) is very good for you too.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

I'm pretty happy with my meat and I'm not trying to convince anyone to go vegan here. All I'm pointing out is that in a strictly biological makeup, we are quite different from other meat eaters. Name another meat eater that can't handle eating it's prey raw. Also, think you'd be able to bite/tear through a cow hide to get to your dinner? I can't think of another omnivore/carnivore like us in those respects.

With that said:
An omnivorous diet (done right) is very good for you.
A vegetarian diet (done right) is very good for you too.

I reckon we could probably handle raw meat if we ate it right after we killed it.