Intersection right of Way Question

[Northendzone]

i was sure that i had the ROW because I was going straight - those jackwagons who turn left in front of me will hear the wrath of my horn, and I will also give them the finger with the thumb stuck out sideways to boot.......

[4X4]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

No one has yet provided any section of the law or the drivers handbook that actually applies to this situation. Unless someone can show that the law does say who has right of way, we will have to assume that the ROW order is the one that doesn't lead to someone turning left potentially having to sit at an intersection all day because they never have the right of way.

Why? You could sit all day trying to go straight as well.

[Raekwon]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

No one has yet provided any section of the law or the drivers handbook that actually applies to this situation. Unless someone can show that the law does say who has right of way, we will have to assume that the ROW order is the one that doesn't lead to someone turning left potentially having to sit at an intersection all day because they never have the right of way.

So the Highway Traffic Safety Act I posted or examples weren't good enough?

Here is a link to the TSA
http://www.canlii.org/en/ab/laws/sta...000-c-h-8.html

Also remember that Insurance settles differently than the TSA sometimes, heres a good read. Here is a link to the Insurance Inter-Company Agreement on determining fault.
http://www.ibc.ca/en/Legal/documents...20Jan_2002.pdf

You will think twice about opening your car door after reading that

[GreatWhiteEbola]

Originally Posted by Antithesis

This thread is evidence of the need for re-testing whenever you need to renew your Driver's Lisence.

The person going straight through the intersection has the right of way. Only four-way stops work in the "whoever got their first" manner, unless you are Pinner.

If you are at an uncontrolled T intersection, the car going straight through must yield to the car turning. Blue car must yield to the red car.

[Canada 02]

google 'who has the right of way at a two-way stop', and I can't find any jurisdiction that explains this scenario. Just the same back and forth opinion as in this thread

[frinkprof]

Can someone link to the Pinner 4 way stop thing?

[frinkprof]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

No one has yet provided any section of the law or the drivers handbook that actually applies to this situation. Unless someone can show that the law does say who has right of way, we will have to assume that the ROW order is the one that doesn't lead to someone turning left potentially having to sit at an intersection all day because they never have the right of way.

Why must we assume that? If that actually happens with regularity, the intersection design has failed and it needs to be improved. The rules for the situation at that intersection shouldn't change.

[SilverGS]

Interesting situation.

There is no question that if this is an uncontrolled intersection the person going straight has right of way.

However, with a controlled intersection no one seems to be able to prove one way or the other. Since it is a controlled intersection for the 2 at the stop sign it makes sense that first one there rule should apply. Otherwise as I need a Thneed mentioned the left hand turner could potentially be stuck for a long time.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by SilverGS

Interesting situation.

There is no question that if this is an uncontrolled intersection the person going straight has right of way.

However, with a controlled intersection no one seems to be able to prove one way or the other. Since it is a controlled intersection for the 2 at the stop sign it makes sense that first one there rule should apply. Otherwise as I need a Thneed mentioned the left hand turner could potentially be stuck for a long time.

That's why they install traffic lights at intersections that are busy.

[Frank MetaMusil]

The intersection in question.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by frinkprof

Can someone link to the Pinner 4 way stop thing?

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=80998

Pinner insistent 4-way stops were "yield to right'

CP had a field day with that one

[Antithesis]

Originally Posted by GreatWhiteEbola

Unless you are at an uncontrolled T intersection, the car going straight through must yield to the car turning. Blue car must yield to the red car.

You're saying that's a controlled intersection, IE one with a stop sign or lights?

[Antithesis]

Raekwon is an industry professional, I can't believe this is even up for debate. It's like going to the mechanic and questioning his advice because you think you know better. I'd trust his judgment here. You "whoever got there first" people are insane, it's just as simple as that. No other possible explanation!

[Frank MetaMusil]

nm

[malcolmk14]

Originally Posted by SilverGS

Interesting situation.

There is no question that if this is an uncontrolled intersection the person going straight has right of way.

However, with a controlled intersection no one seems to be able to prove one way or the other. Since it is a controlled intersection for the 2 at the stop sign it makes sense that first one there rule should apply. Otherwise as I need a Thneed mentioned the left hand turner could potentially be stuck for a long time.

Why would the left hand turner be stuck for a long time? When the person going straight goes, the left hand turner enters the intersection at the same time and turns left when the straight-through car passes. If it's clear for one car, it should be clear for both.

At that point in time, the second car in the straight-through line would not have arrived at the intersection yet, so there should be no reason the left-turning vehicle would have to wait for multiple cars to pass.

[GreatWhiteEbola]

Originally Posted by Antithesis

You're saying that's a controlled intersection, IE one with a stop sign or lights?

Sorry that was meant to represent an uncontrolled intersection. There are no signs for either driver. Yield to the right applies, regardless of the driver is going straight through or not.

[Raekwon]

Originally Posted by Antithesis

Raekwon is an industry professional, I can't believe this is even up for debate. It's like going to the mechanic and questioning his advice because you think you know better. I'd trust his judgment here. You "whoever got there first" people are insane, it's just as simple as that. No other possible explanation!

I'm actually in IT but I stayed at a holiday inn express last week

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by malcolmk14

Why would the left hand turner be stuck for a long time? When the person going straight goes, the left hand turner enters the intersection at the same time and turns left when the straight-through car passes. If it's clear for one car, it should be clear for both.

At that point in time, the second car in the straight-through line would not have arrived at the intersection yet, so there should be no reason the left-turning vehicle would have to wait for multiple cars to pass.

Exactly! I laid out a similar situation in my earlier post.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Raekwon

So the Highway Traffic Safety Act I posted or examples weren't good enough?

Nope, answered that already, the language in that section you posted describes something else, a situation with no stop signs. We already no that the person turning left must wait, or proceed if it is safe. It doesn't apply to the two way stop scenario. At best, we don't know if that section applies to the scenario in question, since the language used in that section doesn't really make sense when applied to a situation where both drivers have a stop sign. If they intended that section to apply to a situation where both drivers faced a stop sign, it would be written much different.

Originally Posted by frinkprof

Why must we assume that? If that actually happens with regularity, the intersection design has failed and it needs to be improved. The rules for the situation at that intersection shouldn't change.

We must assume that, because if there is a constant stream of traffic coming from one way that all want to go straight, they would always have the right of way over the left turner.

I definitely agree that if happens with any regularity, the intersection should be given a traffic light.

[SilverGS]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

That's why they install traffic lights at intersections that are busy.

If this was the case there would roads with traffic lights at every intersection. There are many places in the city where 2 way stop signs makes sense 90% of the time and people may get stuck only during a few busy times during the day.