That's alot of dope!

[blankall]

Originally Posted by HOOT

I don't get why the Government would charge more money for the same product and think people will pay it. They charge ~$10/pack for cigs and you can bet your ass that a smoker would gladly pay $5/pack for better cigarettes with minimal risk (which is exactly what it is to buy weed) of doing so, why wouldn't it be the same for weed if the government was overcharging?

Really I'm not worried about price at this point, I'm more concerned with the quality of the product if the government gets their hand on it. Also I don't see the government ever legalizing it until the states does and that will never happen.

You can buy cigarettes illegally smuggled into Canada on the black market for half the price. The quality of American tobacco is IMO, much better than Canadian. As a former regular smoker who smoked cigarettes from just about every continent on the globe, I can tell you that the quality of the Canadian tobacco was far worse. The vast majority of people still choose to by tobacco legally for more money. I think it's just difficult to imagine, since you are used to buying it from your dealer.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by blankall

The vast majority of people still choose to by tobacco legally for more money. I think it's just difficult to imagine, since you are used to buying it from your dealer.

How easy is it to buy illegal cigarettes compared to weed? I've just never heard one friend mention or ask for illegal cigarettes.

I'm guessing the money to be made selling weed compared to illegal cigarettes, along with the risk of smuggling vs growing, is much bigger.

IMO the government would be fools not to undercut the street price, it wouldn't solve anything besides giving people a Plan B if their dealer is out of town.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Shazam

What the fata do you think a tobacco tree is? Or wheat? Rye? Barley?

What I meant by that is ...you have to refine wheat, barley, tobacco etc. into the product it becomes.
With weed you just grow it and snip it, done deal, finished product.

[Yamer]

Legalize it. As long as there are quality controls.

Then I can go to a store and get it, instead of putting up with a dealer's BS.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

What I meant by that is ...you have to refine wheat, barley, tobacco etc. into the product it becomes.
With weed you just grow it and snip it, done deal, finished product.

Are you high?

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Are you high?

No.
It doesnt take a rocket science to see how easy it is to grow your own if it is legalized. You could grow it in your yard or whatever. You would save alot of money that way no?

In contrast to alcohols and cigarettes, which are processed in fancy manufacturing facilities.....it is not so easy to make your own beer/wine .....and have it turn out half decent.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

No.
It doesnt take a rocket science to see how easy it is to grow your own if it is legalized. You could grow it in your yard or whatever. You would save alot of money that way no?

In contrast to alcohols and cigarettes, which are processed in fancy manufacturing facilities.....it is not so easy to make your own beer/wine .....and have it turn out half decent.

You could grow it in your yard? Are you high?

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by puckluck

You could grow it in your yard? Are you high?

"If" it was legal.....what would stop you?

Again ...no I am not high.
I am going camping tomorrow however, so that status could change.

[Barnes]

Back on topic...

Just went through a checkstop with cops checking IDs on McIvor Blvd looking for them. Cop commented on my dog, apologized for waking the baby and I was on my way.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

"If" it was legal.....what would stop you?

Again ...no I am not high.
I am going camping tomorrow however, so that status could change.

It's hard enough growing weed indoors with all the lamps and stuff. The weather in Calgary and Canada would suck for growing weed outdoors.

Too many unknowns with the weather to grow weed outdoors here.

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

"If" it was legal.....what would stop you?

Again ...no I am not high.
I am going camping tomorrow however, so that status could change.

You can bet your bottom dollar that if weed is ever legalized in this country you will not be able to grow your own. Allowing private citizens to legally grow cannabis takes away the largest advantage the government would have in legalization (huge profits).

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by puckluck

It's hard enough growing weed indoors with all the lamps and stuff. The weather in Calgary and Canada would suck for growing weed outdoors.

Too many unknowns with the weather to grow weed outdoors here.

That and the sun just simply isn't out long enough.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Yamer

That and the sun just simply isn't out long enough.

Well sure it would vary region to region, and obviously it grows better outdoors in places like BC and Northern California, but either way I don't think legalized weed could compete cost wise with the black market.

If it was legal, you could grow a plant indoors as well.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Barnes

Back on topic...

Just went through a checkstop with cops checking IDs on McIvor Blvd looking for them. Cop commented on my dog, apologized for waking the baby and I was on my way.

Checking ID's? Weird, usually they just quickly check if you've been drinking.

[algernon]

Originally Posted by HOOT

How easy is it to buy illegal cigarettes compared to weed? I've just never heard one friend mention or ask for illegal cigarettes.

In high school, we used to buy russian branded Marlbouroughs in Chinatown from a stall for $4/ pack. Didn't even need a secret handshake or password.
Easypeasy.
I'm sure if a person had access to a border reserve, it'd be just as easy, AND the smokes would be Canadian.

[CaptainCrunch]

In Ontario we would buy reserve cigarettes, there was also a guy who sold us really cheap handrolled smokes in a baggie. We'd get like 50 for five bucks. They were horrible and totally unfiltered, but they were cheap.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

In Ontario we would buy reserve cigarettes, there was also a guy who sold us really cheap handrolled smokes in a baggie. We'd get like 50 for five bucks. They were horrible and totally unfiltered, but they were cheap.

Did you ever smoke the 'Putters' brand reserve cigarettes when in Ontario?

[CaptainCrunch]

Rings a bell.

The smokes that you bought weren't exactly tasty

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by blankall

It is relatively time consuming as each plant requires individual care. It's not like a field of wheat (not that I am saying growing wheat is easy).

Anyways this discussion is getting really tiresome. You seem to be stuck on this idea that weed will be grown on large communal farms and the government will willingly choose to tax as little as possible so you and your friends can get high for cheap....good luck with that.

Are you seriously this dumb?

Yes, it will be grown on farms. I have no idea why you think otherwise. There are many, many outdoor grow ops.

And it will be taxed mightily (i.e. LOTS). Just like cigarettes are, just like booze is.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by blankall

I've read it. I've also read many university level text books on economics. The logic in the report is extremely simplistic and they ignore comparable examples such as alcohol, tobacco, and pharmaceuticals.

You've "read" many university level text books? Well, maybe you have, but you didn't comprehend them.

If government stepped out of the process, then yes the market could make it cheaper. However, I just don't see government stepping out of the process. Nor do I see them self-limiting their taxation. You obviously have some rose-coloured view of government that I do not share and you've obviously never ran your own business or worked closely with someone who is.

What in the deuce are you talking about???? Does the government make all cigs? All booze? What the hell are you blathering about?

There are more factors here than a simplistic supply and demand model.

Jesus Christ on a stick, you claim to have read "university level econ textbooks", and none of them talk about jumping the curve? That's usually in the second chapter of a first year macro-econ book.