Vancouver Humane Society Anti-Stampede Ad in the Herald

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by HeartsOfFire

Alberta hasn't had 200 years of rodeo tradition. Why such a long time for cannabis tradition? That's unfair.

The question is rhetorical, though. I'm just poking fun.

point taken, but certainly the idea of moving to Alberta and setting up a homestead involved horses, cattle, and breaking the camp to move along often by horse drawn wagon.

the western or european settlement of BC did not involve sipping a mocha and puffing a doobie after a (short) days work until the last 30 years.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by Azure

We've had 200+ years or ranching tradition, which is where the rodeo tradition stems from.

The Humane Society would argue - and has as recently as last week on CBC radio - that most rodeo events/chuckwagons, as they're currently presented, are post-western lifestyle inventions designed for entertainment and bear only a passing resemblance to what was "normal' through the last 200 years.

I largely agree with that although, in a couple of instances, they're making stuff up.

I go to rodeos/chucks but I won't make an attempt to defend what is happening. Generally, what I see is cruelty to animals.

So is eating them. But I do that too.

Cowperson

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Regulator75

I was replying to the trophy hunter getting mauled, yup that's freaking hilarious. Karma is a bitch. Not a vegan what so ever.

Meh, fair enough, at least you're somewhat consistent.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

The Humane Society would argue - and has as recently as last week on CBC radio - that most rodeo events/chuckwagons, as they're currently presented, are post-western lifestyle inventions designed for entertainment and bear only a passing resemblance to what was "normal' through the last 200 years.

I largely agree with that although, in a couple of instances, they're making stuff up.

I go to rodeos/chucks but I won't make an attempt to defend what is happening. Generally, what I see is cruelty to animals.

So is eating them. But I do that too.

Cowperson

I agree as well.

But we both realize cruelty to animals happens in nature too, without our involvement.

[sfpipes]

Generaly speaking I have no real issues with the rodeo or the chuckwagons. My reasoning for this has no basis except that I really just don't care one way or the other. I don't know if rodeo directly harms the animals. From what I have seen in my lifetime here in Calgary is that there are accidents but other than that the animals do ok. Hell some of the good stock get treated pretty darn good and end up legends as much as any cowboy or cowgirl. The other thought I always have for this kind of stuff is that these animals tend to be bred specifically for these purposes. The majority of stampede rodeo stock are bred to be rodeo stock. Not to say they wouldn't be alive without rodeo, just something else to think of. If you don't like it don't go and don't support the stampede. Everyone has that choice.

[KTrain]

Originally Posted by ZedMan

Running an anti-stampede ad from a Vancouver organization in Calgary? I can't think of a better way to make sure your message is ignored.

Or talked about extensively on this and other message boards and in the news?

Regardless of where they're from they are getting their message out and exposure for their organization.

[killer_carlson]

sure, agreed, but what does the humane society in Vancouver suggest we do with the horses and cows? Let them go in the woods? Why don't we let them all go in Whistler, or on Vancouver Island.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I think he means the guys that hunt just to put a bear head over their bed, as oposed to the guys that hunt because they enjoy Peking Duck...

What about the hunter who hunts because he/she enjoys taking down an animal, but still uses the meat after? So the intent was for sport rather than for food, but at the end of the day, it's still because that person enjoyed the thrill of hunting.

Hunting is just the same as fishing. You think that fish enjoys biting onto that hook and being yanked out of the water? So by that poster's logic, if I fisherman was was fishing at the Bow river fell into the water and drowned, he'd laugh at the fisherman for going against nature.

My view on hunting has always been, as long as it is done responsibly (and it is in Canada since it is highly regulated by Fish & Wildlife), then I have no problems with it.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

What about the hunter who hunts because he/she enjoys taking down an animal, but still uses the meat after? So the intent was for sport rather than for food, but at the end of the day, it's still because that person enjoyed the thrill of hunting.

Hunting is just the same as fishing. You think that fish enjoys biting onto that hook and being yanked out of the water? So by that poster's logic, if I fisherman was was fishing at the Bow river fell into the water and drowned, he'd laugh at the fisherman for going against nature.

My view on hunting has always been, as long as it is done responsibly (and it is in Canada since it is highly regulated by Fish & Wildlife), then I have no problems with it.

I am not trying to get into the argument - I just thought his point was being misconstrued.
As I said earlier, I think the rodeo is stupid & boring, but whatever - to each their own. I try to leave town or stay home during the Stampede.

[Wiggum_PI]

People don't intentionally try to harm animals during the stampede or other rodeos its just something that happens and can't be controlled. The animals aren't the only casualties, many of the competitors get injured pretty badly but nobody cares about them because apparently they are "cruel" people.

[killer_carlson]

........nm

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by Azure

I agree as well.

But we both realize cruelty to animals happens in nature too, without our involvement.

While I have watched my dogs and cats kill unnecessarily, without any moral inhibition, the difference is that we humans can generate moral issues and weigh them while animals have no such burden. That is the cross we have to bear.

"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." - Mahatma Gandhi

In many ways, more so than at any time in history, animals are at the mercy of human beings. It's not a total stretch to think they now survive at our whim. Witness the slaughter of 71,000 coyotes in Saskatchewan in only five months earlier this year.

And again, I go to rodeo's/chucks and have killed gophers by the hundreds merely because they annoy me with their digging in places I consider inconvenient.

Cowperson

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

While I have watched my dogs and cats kill unnecessarily, without any moral inhibition, the difference is that we humans can generate moral issues and weigh them while animals have no such burden. That is the cross we have to bear.

"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." - Mahatma Gandhi

In many ways, more so than at any time in history, animals are at the mercy of human beings. It's not a total stretch to think they now survive at our whim. Witness the slaughter of 71,000 coyotes in Saskatchewan in only five months earlier this year.

And again, I go to rodeo's/chucks and have killed gophers by the hundreds merely because they annoy me with their digging in places I consider inconvenient.

Cowperson

Hitler loved his German Shepherds and the Nazis passed some very "progressive" animal rights legislations. Care for animals is necessary but not sufficient for a moral society.

[Traditional_Ale]

^ Huh, whaa? 71,000 coyotes slaughtered? wtf?

[Orv]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

^ Huh, whaa? 71,000 coyotes slaughtered? wtf?

The government put a $20 bounty on coyotes because they caused such a problem.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by fotze

Why is eating the kill seen as more moral than putting it on the wall?

You have probably 85,000 meals in your life, so killing the thing and having it as a meal for a few of them followed by shatting it out 10 hours later, thats more worthy of killing. At least a head on the wall is more honoring to the deceased, there every day, you remember it, freaks out the kids.

Do we eat a loved one when they die or do we put them in an urn on the mantle?

Excellent.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by fotze

Why is eating the kill seen as more moral than putting it on the wall?

You have probably 85,000 meals in your life, so killing the thing and having it as a meal for a few of them followed by shatting it out 10 hours later, thats more worthy of killing. At least a head on the wall is more honoring to the deceased, there every day, you remember it, freaks out the kids.

Do we eat a loved one when they die or do we put them in an urn on the mantle?

Can you put this in your Will? I'm kind of considering it.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Regulator75

It's the chance they take. I'm not rooting for it, but I don't feel sorry for when it does happen.

Hunters getting mauled = funny.

Hikers getting mauled = tragedy.

Would it matter if the hunters weren't hunting the animal that mauled them?

Would it matter if you personally knew the hunters that were mauled?

Thanks to humans providing so much more sustinence for wildlife populations hunting has become essential in population control for many different species.

Personally, I don't hunt. That doesn't mean that I see no benefit in it.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Can this be merged into Komskies grilling thread?

[troutman]

http://www.albertaregulations.ca/huntingregs/

It is unlawful to . . . allow the edible meat of any game bird or big game animal, except cougar or bear, to be wasted, destroyed, spoiled or abandoned.