A bank lent me money when I was going to school. I used that money to pay for rent and food and books and booze. Now I pay it back to them every month.
What is "fake" about this arrangement? Did I not eat that food? Buy those books? Drink that booze? Trust me, I did all three. There was nothing fake about it. In actual tangible reality, I used the bank's money to purchase real things.
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I'm trying to understand what you are saying here but I'm not getting it. We accept fake loans and then turn around and "labour" it into something? What does that mean? Not trying to be an ass here, I just don't get what you are saying.
Who prints as much as they want? Not the banks. Do you mean the Bank of Canada? They don't print as much as they want, otherwise inflation would sky rocket.
You guys never heard the term FIAT money? Really? Mickey doesn't explain it very well and is wrong about the interest, but it's funny you go to lenghts to ridicule him when you lack the basic understanding of the scam known as fractional reserve banking
How our government officials came to the conclusion that it is better to privatize debt is beyond me.....maybe the right people were handing them some cash under the table to change legislation and turn a blind eye.
If our government lends itself money, interest payments would not be necessary.
Zimbabwe is a poor example imo. The same German company that prints their dollars prints ours by the way, and dont forget that Zimbabwe has very little oversight, as it is under the control of a dictator who is not accountable to anyone, so severe abuse of the system takes place.
Most founding political figures spoke heavily of the importance of the issuance of currency, including Lincoln, Washington, Franklin, Jackson and a host of others....and if you let it get into private hands things are bound to go bad...but those guys couldn't possibly more wise than our current leaders could they.......
You brought up Mackenzie King to prove your point and now you accuse him of being bought by the banks (as he was PM when we racked up our first significant privately held national debt during WWII, reaching a total of 14 Billion$, 161 Billion$ in today's equivalent). Though he's not a founding figure, he was a wise Prime Minister because Zimbabwe is a perfect example of what happens to a country when they do what you propose.
They renounced their external debt (the same as transferring it to a national bank) and instantly it cost them 1000x more to buy a barrel of oil or a tonne of steel or a can of Coke, causing a cascade of hyperinflation. Mugabe further tanked his economy but tanking economies alone don't account for the fact that at it was his debt actions that caused his currency to devalue (in 3 years) to 1/10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000th of what it was before he took his currency actions.
Fortunately, our economy is managed on a macro scale by bankers and economists rather than NWO banking cabal conspiracy websites that quote appeals to authority in the form of out of context quotes of Founding Figures.
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The police won the public sentiment vote on Saturday, but lost it by Sunday night.
There are MANY stories of peaceful protests being completely run over by police - and many of these were far from the blessed security perimeter. People have the right to protest, and that was taken away from them. I understand their anger, and I never would have thought I would have agreed with them.
Well maybe they should have had their peaceful protest on the other-side of town.
It is their right to have a protest where they want. They are not threatening the security perimeter, they are using public spaces.
It is in our Charter of Rights. The Freedom of peaceful assembly is one of our "Fundamental Freedoms" written in to our rights. As well as the "freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication".
Further, our Legal Rights in the Charter state that "Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure." and "Everyone has the right not to be arbitrarily detained or imprisoned".
These rights were taken away by the Police. These rights were broken. I am not a protester, and am more right-leaning than left, but what occurred here was a multitude of errors and bad decision making that left some of the public quite disenfranchised with fragility of their basic rights. It is surprising, and I hope that the media and public will force the police to answer.
The police won the public sentiment vote on Saturday, but lost it by Sunday night.
what exactly are you basing this on? From what I can tell, there has been no mass poll to determine public opinion. A better statement might be "the police won MY sentiment on saturday, but lost it sunday night."
Based on the incredible number of public comments and posts on media websites across Canada, I am guessing that the coming weeks will make it clear that the majority of Canadians were strongly opposed to the demonstrations, and in support of the police actions(I may be wrong though)
At the end of the day, chaotic situations precipitate a chaotic response. Of course stories are going to surface of police mishandling non-violent protestors/journalists etc... How are police supposed to respond in a controlled manner to this sort of situation? While the actions of the police may have been over the line in certain instances, it is the violent protestors that precipitated a situation where a reasonable and controlled response by the police was impossible.
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what exactly are you basing this on? From what I can tell, there has been no mass poll to determine public opinion. A better statement might be "the police won MY sentiment on saturday, but lost it sunday night."
You are correct. Though I would prefer to it read "In my opinion, the police won public sentiment on saturday, but lost it by the end of the weekend".
The police did a good job in some spots. however, they failed to corral the few who paraded around for a couple hours doing damage - but the next day responded with rediculous force for a different set of people who were sitting and singing O Canada. Further, their actions against the people at the temporary prison/camp, and the forceably removing people from the government park devoted to protestors all went too far. It is in our basic rights to have peaceful assembly, this was stripped from many this weekend. Heck, the media was getting beaten and terrorized by the cops.
We will all forget about it in a few days, but it was much more surprising than I ever thought it would be.
The real winners of the G8/G20 summits? Glass companies and window installers.
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^^ i have read some of the claims by journalists of mis-handling by the police. I am always interested to see if they are a "free-lance" journalist, who quite often have an agenda and are looking to spark a response.
The story of the Guardian journalist is troubling, but I stand by my opinion that police have a difficult time responding to to these out of control demonstrations- making a decision at a moments notice on who is part of the violent crowd and who isn't would be difficult...
I may be wrong, but riot police typically treat out of control demonstrators as a collective group, and do not even attempt to distinguish who is being violent and who isnt.
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What bothers me the most is that most Canadians will end up mad at the police or rioters or both but, have empathy for the peaceful protestors. I don't like the politics of these "peaceful protestors" and wish the media and Canadians would look at the cost of what they are demanding the G8 to do.
I also don't buy that these rioters are unwanted intruders at these demonstrations. They are the militant wing of the same movement. Sure some come for the wanton destruction but, over all there is definately an organized element to it.
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The story of a burned out police cruiser...
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Queen said his attackers started wordlessly banging on his car windows and jumping on the roof before quickly moving on.
Fellow officers came to his aid but were surrounded once more by protesters. Queen said he was struck by a pole. “I was hit in the back of the head,” he said.
Queen’s supervisor told him not to get back in the car due to the shattered glass and he removed some equipment while waiting for a tactical team. Because of the increasing violence and evolving chaos, he was forced to abandon his cruiser at 415 Queen St. W. in front of Steve’s Music Store
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The following day, 26-year-old Kirk Warrington appeared in bail court, accused of setting Toronto police car 3251 on fire during the height of violent demonstrations on Queen St. He was charged with five counts of mischief, including impersonating a police sergeant and arson. The charges were among the most serious laid against more than 200 demonstrators who appeared in bail court Sunday. Warrington is still in custody
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In court, Warrington admitted to climbing onto the car and lighting himself on fire with a piece of burning paper at the urging of the crowd. Warrington tucked the burning paper under his jacket before it fell onto the windshield; that’s when he noticed flames inside the car
Warrington described “big billowing smoke coming out of me.” He also said he called for water and help but people around him said, “No, let it burn, let it burn.”
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“Look, though I do believe I was definitely being mischievous, I wasn’t the bad apple in the crowd,” Warrington said in court. “I was entertaining the mass. I thought I did a pretty good job.”
The unemployed Cambridge man explained he is bipolar, has a Grade 7 education and medicates himself with marijuana. He is also on disability
Oh wow, that's the guy I posted the pic of in Post #145! The guy with the trumpet!
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We may curse our bad luck that it's sounds like its; who's sounds like whose; they're sounds like their (and there); and you're sounds like your. But if we are grown-ups who have been through full-time education, we have no excuse for muddling them up.
You guys never heard the term FIAT money? Really? Mickey doesn't explain it very well and is wrong about the interest, but it's funny you go to lenghts to ridicule him when you lack the basic understanding of the scam known as fractional reserve banking
Yes, I know what FIAT currency is and I am not ridiculing anyone. Don't be so sensitive.
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