Teen dead after alleged attack by father

[CaptainCrunch]

You kinda have to put the blame on the mother as well. The fact that she blamed the murder of her daughter on the daughter is repugnant as well.

To me, they should be stripped of any right of citizenship in this country and sent home.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

To me, they should be stripped of any right of citizenship in this country and sent home.

Pretty much. Especially if they're going to be intolerant to her decision in a case like this. So stuipd to make such a major fuss, let alone kill a person just because they won't wear a hijab. Grow up people.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by firebug

Father and brother plead guilty. Sentenced to 25 years.

As reported in the G&M.

The included 'Agreed Statement of Facts' is terribly troubling.

Mmm, they married their cousins.

Trash is trash, no matter where in the world.

[Pinner]

That carload of girls and the Aunt in Kingston was murder too.

Zainab Shafi, 19, sisters Sahar, 17, and Geeti, 13, and their aunt Rona Amir Mohammed, 50, all died on June 30 when their car drove into a lock near Kingston. The family was coming back from a trip in Toronto.

And this one from Monday

Montreal police Const. Daniel Lacoursiere would not confirm reports that the weapon was a machete or that the woman was attacked because she stayed out all night.
The victim’s three sisters, age 10, 14 and 16, were home at the time of the stabbing, he said.


Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/...#ixzz0r2OLStjb

[burn_this_city]

Theres an especially hot place in hell for these people. The problem is some of these men think their female kin are commodities to be traded/married into money or status back home. When they stop towing the line then they get violent. Quite often they've promised their daughters to a friend back home. When the girls who were raised in the west tell their folks to pound sand, the families honour/shame becomes the issue. 99% of these families just take the lumps and let their name get tarnished but you get the occasional psycho that goes to this extreme.

[Muta]

Deportation should be the correct punishment. If you can't follow our rules and respect Western values, while (no less) living in a Western country that has been so gracious and generous to let you be citizens, then get the **** out. If we put them in prison, taxes would have to pay for them for 25 years. A one-way plane ticket and a ban from Canada is the cheapest, most effective option. You just don't that kind of stuff. Incredibly immature and ass backwards.

[Zevo]

Deportation or death-penalty, I'd be happy with either. Unfortunately we will pay their room and board for the next 10 to 25 years instead.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Zevo

Deportation or death-penalty, I'd be happy with either. Unfortunately we will pay their room and board for the next 10 to 25 years instead.

if you're worried about money, deportation would be the only option. it costs more to put a person to death in the US than to have them serve a life sentence

[IliketoPuck]

I have an honest question, and I've had this debate before and I can't honestly say that I have come to a difinitive answer.

Would the death penalty in a case like this deter it from happening?

I'm not sure it would, since I'm reasonably sure that tragedies like this happen in countries with the death penalty regardless.

Does the death penalty really deter this from happening, I don't think so, I think deportation back to their country of origin is the most cost effective way of dealing with this type of situation.

But at the same time that also goes away from Western values of owning up to your actions, and paying the consequences. I would rather these low lifes spend the rest of their lives behind bars, than for them to get a slap on the wrist and deported from Canada to "maybe" face repercussion in their home country.

I will glady pay tax money to make sure at least some form of justice is served in this situation.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

I have an honest question, and I've had this debate before and I can't honestly say that I have come to a difinitive answer.

Would the death penalty in a case like this deter it from happening?

I'm not sure it would, since I'm reasonably sure that tragedies like this happen in countries with the death penalty regardless.

Does the death penalty really deter this from happening, I don't think so, I think deportation back to their country of origin is the most cost effective way of dealing with this type of situation.

But at the same time that also goes away from Western values of owning up to your actions, and paying the consequences. I would rather these low lifes spend the rest of their lives behind bars, than for them to get a slap on the wrist and deported from Canada to "maybe" face repercussion in their home country.

I will glady pay tax money to make sure at least some form of justice is served in this situation.

the death penalty wouldn't deter this, nor would whipping, or stoning. Its a cultural issue, and you can bet if they had another daughter (I think they had) and she openly defied her parents they'd kill her without even thinking about it.

Jail is going to mean nothing to them, they feel that they lived up to their honor system, in fact I bet they believe that they're being screwed over by a justice system that doesn't take their culture into mind.

So to me Jail isn't going to rehabilitate them. so there's no point. Send em home on the next flight out.

[IliketoPuck]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

the death penalty wouldn't deter this, nor would whipping, or stoning. Its a cultural issue, and you can bet if they had another daughter (I think they had) and she openly defied her parents they'd kill her without even thinking about it.

Jail is going to mean nothing to them, they feel that they lived up to their honor system, in fact I bet they believe that they're being screwed over by a justice system that doesn't take their culture into mind.

So to me Jail isn't going to rehabilitate them. so there's no point. Send em home on the next flight out.

But by sending them home, to a country that likely will not take any action, does that not simply let them off the hook for commiting murder?

Regardless of whether or not they think the Canadian justice system is screwing them by not recognizing their beliefs, shouldn't they (as landed immigrants) be held accountable in some form, even if they don't think it just?

I think the worse crime would be for them to not face any type of punishment.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

But by sending them home, to a country that likely will not take any action, does that not simply let them off the hook for commiting murder?

Regardless of whether or not they think the Canadian justice system is screwing them by not recognizing their beliefs, shouldn't they (as landed immigrants) be held accountable in some form, even if they don't think it just?

I think the worse crime would be for them to not face any type of punishment.

I guess I agree, but I also keep going back to the waste of taxpayer dollars being used to house and feed these scumbags for 10 or 12 years when they're never going to change, and aren't likely to be a productive member of society once they get out.

Personally I wouldn't mind if they got shoved out of the plane halfway back home by accident. But what are you going to do?

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

But by sending them home, to a country that likely will not take any action, does that not simply let them off the hook for commiting murder?

Regardless of whether or not they think the Canadian justice system is screwing them by not recognizing their beliefs, shouldn't they (as landed immigrants) be held accountable in some form, even if they don't think it just?

I think the worse crime would be for them to not face any type of punishment.

Well, trading in Toronto and social security for raising goats in the NWP might be a worse punishment than 3 squares/day in jail.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Although when these things happen the religion lends itself to scrutiny.

I am sorry but this doesn't happen with everyone who believes in that religion...so using that piece of evidence, the problem here is not the religion, but the the dad and only the dad.

[IliketoPuck]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I guess I agree, but I also keep going back to the waste of taxpayer dollars being used to house and feed these scumbags for 10 or 12 years when they're never going to change, and aren't likely to be a productive member of society once they get out.

Personally I wouldn't mind if they got shoved out of the plane halfway back home by accident. But what are you going to do?

Or a Soviet style hard labor camp on a far northern island in the NWT. Or a Russian v. Somali pirates experiment. (What is with the Russians and their theme of dealing with crime )

I agree the solution isn't perfect, but it comes back to whether or not stiffer consequences would actually deter these types of crimes from happening.

For the sake of the girl, some type of serious punishment is required, and in Canada I guess all we have is 25-life.

[Traditional_Ale]

I don't mind paying the jail $$$ AND hospital $$$ for these scumbags, after they take 20 lashes in front of city hall and it's webcast for all to see.

[IliketoPuck]

Sure sending them back to their home coutnry rids us of having to deal with it, but it doesn't stop or deter the next jack astor who decides to kill someone in his family over a matter of honor.

Medieval thinking is a tough nut to crack, I don't have the answers, but I personally don't think that deporting them is the right choice.

Three meals a day and a prison lifestyle doesn't sound appealing to me, but you are right it might not seem like as much of a punishment to someone who is used to living in a 2nd/3rd world situation.

Drive them up north of Churchill, Manitoba right around the time the ice packs start to form?

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

if you're worried about money, deportation would be the only option. it costs more to put a person to death in the US than to have them serve a life sentence

Well then either we streamline things a bit, maybe one appeal, and then a bullet to the head, or we deport them. Charge the family for the bullet, chinese style.

[CaptainCrunch]

On the other hand, if we have a zero tolerance program put into place for immigrants and newly minted citizens that if they commit a serious crime they're on the next plane out of the country never to return, it does serve the public interest.

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

You know, it's funny, and sad at the same time, that the moment I read the thread title, I knew it was going to be an argument over a religious requirement, and that the dead teen was probably a girl.

IMO, Islam isn't any worse than Christianity, it simply hasn't grown up as much as Christianity has yet. the dark ages ended quite some time ago. Perhaps the worlds second largest religion should realize this.

Perhaps we should stone the father to death. If it works in the Muslim world...

Seriously? Do you think the people of Uganda think Christianity is a civilized religion? Yes some religions are more traditional in the way they do things where as Christianity tries to modernize itself to "bring back people who have lost their way" but there are 2 guarantee's with every religion.
1) There are some good spiritual things to take away from them.
2) They are all just as violent and uncivil when you get down to the nitty gritty.