16YO trying to sail around the world, found alive with boat disabled, rescue on

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I respect that, but when a French Sailing boat going to their rescue gets swamped and a rescuer gets thrown overboard, and this is common conditions in the Indian Ocean at this time of year.

I wonder what Abby is going to do with her new fishing vessel?

[Jetsfan]

Originally Posted by T@T

That's totally ridiculous!

If you were a rookie pilot and crashed a small plane in the mountains and after 3 days of search were found alive should you pay for it? It takes years of experience flying small aircraft threw draft conditions to know how to handle them, If you have no experience you shouldn't do mountain flying so it would be your fault if you crashed.

Fact: tax dollars pay for search and rescues and I'm 99% certain the US coastguard will pay for that french vessels time and possibly for the aussie airbus who found her.

I completely disagree.

She wasn't sailing to support her family or bring medicine to orphans...

She was doing it to break a stupid record.

As for being a rookie pilot...I would not put myself in such a high risk situation.

And if I did crash, I would absolutely pay for my rescue because I am responsible for my actions.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Jetsfan

I completely disagree.

She wasn't sailing to support her family or bring medicine to orphans...

She was doing it to break a stupid record.

As for being a rookie pilot...I would not put myself in such a high risk situation.

And if I did crash, I would absolutely pay for my rescue because I am responsible for my actions.

Disagree or not thats how the real world works, in the USA there are well over a 100 rescues per day and all are paid with tax dollars no matter if it was dumb or not.

[FlamesAddiction]

It sounds like Australia isn't going to seek compensation. The French fishing ship may though.

I have nothing against tax payers paying for rescues in their own juristiction and for their own citizens, but if I was an Australian I might not want to pay for this one. Their decision though. Personally, I think the sponsors should at least give them a reward.

[Buzzard]

Originally Posted by T@T

Disagree or not thats how the real world works, in the USA there are well over a 100 rescues per day and all are paid with tax dollars no matter if it was dumb or not.

I wonder how that works here? If I need to be plucked off the middle of Ellesmere Island while circumnavigating the North Pole solo does Joe Taxpayer pay 100%?

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by T@T

Disagree or not thats how the real world works, in the USA there are well over a 100 rescues per day and all are paid with tax dollars no matter if it was dumb or not.

But she wasn't in the USA?

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Jetsfan

I completely disagree.

She wasn't sailing to support her family or bring medicine to orphans...

She was doing it to break a stupid record.

As for being a rookie pilot...I would not put myself in such a high risk situation.

And if I did crash, I would absolutely pay for my rescue because I am responsible for my actions.

Considering its a much more valuable skill to know how to sail, than to say, play hockey, do you think going after NHL records is "stupid"?

[KTrain]

Originally Posted by fotze

and for some reason I mix up russic and ktrain.

It's ok. So does his wife...

[T@T]

Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

But she wasn't in the USA?

The US coast guard would have requested the french vessel to help because they couldn't, therefore they will pay!

edit] google is friendly

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/06...ailors-rescue/

Why people can't get this normal occurrence of free rescues threw there skulls is beyond me, I was the one who stated in this thread that a 16 year old girl sailing around the world alone was a mistake in the first place, but to say she or her parents should pay for the rescue is ######ed. We all pay for this service and unless you want a society that's afraid to go outside that's the way it should be.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Considering its a much more valuable skill to know how to sail, than to say, play hockey, do you think going after NHL records is "stupid"?

Given top NHL hockey players very likely earn a hell of a lot more than top sailors, and the 500th best hockey player likely makes a ridiculous sum more than the 500th best sailor, I would argue that playing hockey is, in fact, the more valuable skill.

As to letting the girl sail, who cares that she is 16? If she is capable and willing, let her do it. The problem, as noted, is the poor decision making process on her part in choosing her route, and on her parents part in both supporting the route and failing to have a safety net. Given both the girl and her parents showed near equal stupidty, I'd argue that age isn't an issue worth worrying about here.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Considering its a much more valuable skill to know how to sail, than to say, play hockey, do you think going after NHL records is "stupid"?

When players start risking their lives with only the thought of a NHL record on their minds at the beginning of a season, then yes, we could use this as a comparison. I doubt a player actively goes after a record and instead just happens to get it when the season is done, based purely on their skill getting them there.

Originally Posted by T@T

The US coast guard would have requested the french vessel to help because they couldn't, therefore they will pay!

edit] google is friendly

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/06...ailors-rescue/

Why people can't get this normal occurrence of free rescues threw there skulls is beyond me, I was the one who stated in this thread that a 16 year old girl sailing around the world alone was a mistake in the first place, but to say she or her parents should pay for the rescue is ######ed. We all pay for this service and unless you want a society that's afraid to go outside that's the way it should be.

Well, I guess there's is mutual ######ation for each of us then. You for some reason think it's entirely absurd that anyone at any point should pay for a rescue when the full risks were known. While I on the other hand think there are situations where recovering these costs are ok.

Believe it or not, some municipalities/organizations do in fact charge people for being rescued. Not everyone here is saying a blanket statement like you are.
The sea is a different beast than land rescues. Because of the International Law of the Sea, crews have an obligation to respond to a distress call.

Reading the AMVER website, I don't see anything about reimbursing costs of rescues. It looks like to me that all they do is coordinate the rescues by tracking which vessels are in the area and using them as efficiently as possible. Doesn't look like a lot of boats enroll in this program, but if they rescue someone, the US coast guard won't be paying for it.

[JustAnotherGuy]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Considering its a much more valuable skill to know how to sail, than to say, play hockey, do you think going after NHL records is "stupid"?

What an absurd analogy. Please try again if you must.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Considering its a much more valuable skill to know how to sail, than to say, play hockey, do you think going after NHL records is "stupid"?

I guess it's useful if you're trying to establish a trade route for spices

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

When players start risking their lives with only the thought of a NHL record on their minds at the beginning of a season, then yes, we could use this as a comparison. I doubt a player actively goes after a record and instead just happens to get it when the season is done, based purely on their skill getting them there.

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Ya, there was nothing organic about this record attempt.... not with "Shoe City" and "buywhatever.com" painted all over her boat and clothing. This was just another example of someone trying to get attention and the obsession people have with fame these days. When people look back at this era, they will read about the "bubble boy", "the boat girl", reality shows, celebrity sex tapes and Paris Hilton. It's kind of embarassing actually.

[Nehkara]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Ya, there was nothing organic about this record attempt.... not with "Shoe City" and "buywhatever.com" painted all over her boat and clothing. This was just another example of someone trying to get attention and the obsession people have with fame these days. When people look back at this era, they will read about the "bubble boy", "the boat girl", reality shows, celebrity sex tapes and Paris Hilton. It's kind of embarassing actually.

You think that the only reason Abby Sunderland attempted non-stop solo circumnavigation was for fame?

Wow. You are incredibly cynical.

In terms of the advertisements... sailing around the world costs money, she needed sponsors... the sponsors want their name on something. Pretty simple.

[Traditional_Ale]

I got quoted too many times to address each one individually so I hope this suffices.

Yeah playing hockey pays more, but if there was some kind of disaster or war that led to a massive social breakdown, I'll take the skill of sailing over funny bits of paper and hockey sticks. Just my opinion.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Buzzard

I wonder how that works here? If I need to be plucked off the middle of Ellesmere Island while circumnavigating the North Pole solo does Joe Taxpayer pay 100%?

Yup. I think its a part of the military budget as well as specialized search and rescue agencies.

[Buzzard]

^ Fantastic.

Yet If I have a heart attack in my home requiring ambulance service it comes out of my pocket.

Perhaps these adventurers should pay a daredevil tax to help recover rescue costs if/when they occur.

[Nehkara]

Originally Posted by Buzzard

^ Fantastic.

Yet If I have a heart attack in my home requiring ambulance service it comes out of my pocket.

Perhaps these adventurers should pay a daredevil tax to help recover rescue costs if/when they occur.

If everyone thought this way, we would never progress. Everyone who wants to do something risky should be punished... we would become completely stagnated and never amount to anything.

This girl wanted to do something remarkable... an amazing personal feat... that should not be something to be punished.

Not only that but I GUARANTEE that driving a car is more dangerous than solo circumnavigation simply because of the extreme precautions taken by circumnavigators.

Perhaps they should not try to rescue car accident victims. They are, afterall, much bigger dare devils than Abby Sunderland.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Nehkara

Not only that but I GUARANTEE that driving a car is more dangerous than solo circumnavigation simply because of the extreme precautions taken by circumnavigators.

Really? Because I can pretty much guarantee that driving a car is safer than solo cirucmnavigation.