Man stabbed, then decapitated on grey hound bus

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by Dion

The family is clearly looking for an eye for an eye as opposed to justice. From what i've read and seen on TV the family is clearly ignorant when it comes to shizophrenia. The man was found not criminaly responsible yet they want him to spend time in prison. I guess rehabilitation is something they don't want.

Even more interesting is that the prosecutor and the defence both agreed this was clearly a case where Li was not criminaly responsible.

Is it just for him? If the peole treating him say he's well enough to be integrated back into society, i'd say justice has been done. That being said i doubt Li is ever released.

As for the family not being able to sleep, i feel for them. Outside of fighting to get laws changed they have to find a way to deal with the anger.

Maybe if we as a society didn't put a stigma behind mental illness along with the discrimination more people might come forward for help.

yeah if the people say he is rehabilitated, you should offer to let him become your roomate, because after all he is all better. you would be doing a great service....

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by fotze

He should let him be a roommate, let camerqs in their and make it a reality show.

Dionie vs. Vinceli - A show about the ups and downs of living with a recently rehabbed decapitating, cannibalistic, schizophrenic. Watch as Vince threatens to decapitate Dion for eating his last slice of pizza.

thats gold.... i love when people say if he is rehabilitated, then whats the problem. how many people have been "rehabilitated" and then go out and kill again.. way too many. as for the family, yeah they do want justice, not the pathetic system we have in place...

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

how many people have been "rehabilitated" and then go out and kill again.. way too many.

What are their names?

I swear, if anyone was to actually believe some of the things said in this thread, they'd never leave the house. The way some of you have it, the country is awash in violent psychopaths who waltzed through a cushy nuthouse and are now prowling the streets, looking for their next beheading victim.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

What are their names?

I swear, if anyone was to actually believe some of the things said in this thread, they'd never leave the house. The way some of you have it, the country is awash in violent psychopaths who waltzed through a cushy nuthouse and are now prowling the streets, looking for their next beheading victim.

yeah you are right, a lot of prisoners get released from prison and none of them reoffend.. good call...

[Dion]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

yeah you are right, a lot of prisoners get released from prison and none of them reoffend.. good call...

Nice dodge! You said....."how many people have been "rehabilitated" and then go out and kill again.. way too many."

Who are those rehabilitated people who have gone out and killed again?

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by Dion

Nice dodge! You said....."how many people have been "rehabilitated" and then go out and kill again.. way too many."

Who are those rehabilitated people who have gone out and killed again?

I'm sure there are plenty we don't hear about as I am sure there are some that never re-offend.

But how is it my problem that someone didn't get treatment the first time they knew they had this disease? Why should my family and friends be in danger from someone who is known to have cut someone's head off and declined treatment before?

I am not saying all people with this problem should be locked up forever but rather treated the same as every other human being who commits murder.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by HOOT

I'm sure there are plenty we don't hear about as I am sure there are some that never re-offend.

If someone says plenty they should be able to provide names.

But how is it my problem that someone didn't get treatment the first time they knew they had this disease? Why should my family and friends be in danger from someone who is known to have cut someone's head off and declined treatment before?

Is it the persons fault that they developed shizophernia?

My deceased friend didn't ask for it.

Is it the fault of the person that mental health services are so woefully inadequate that they have trouble accessing treatment?

Be in danger? Li is mostly never going to be released.

Then there's the stigma and discrimination that goes along with the illness. All because people choose to remain ignorant about the disease and would rather live in fear.

I am not saying all people with this problem should be locked up forever but rather treated the same as every other human being who commits murder.

Putting Li in prison would put himself and other prisoners at danger. Without medical treatment and 24 hour supervision he'd probably kill another prisoner and relapse to his shizophrenic state. Maybe we should give the victims family what they really want and then let them see what happens. All because vengence and anger clouds thier judgement.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by Dion

Putting Li in prison would put himself and other prisioners at danger. Without medical treatment and 24 hour supervision he'd probably kill another prisoner and relapse to his shizophrenic state. Maybe we should give the victims family what they really want and then let them see what happens. All because vengence and anger clouds thier judgement.

Okay well don't put him in prison right away. Once these doctors say he all better now and can be free in society he should have to finish his term in jail.

At this point who is he endangering? He is all better now, right?

Just because you have a disease should not mean you get a free pass on a murder. They don't want to be discriminated but as soon as they are in trouble they want special treatment.

[Thor]

There is an ongoing misunderstanding that mental illness isn't a real medical disease.

This guy is not going to one day just 'break out of it' and walk around as a normal happy citizen of the world. Its clear to the medical and psychiatric community that some humans are diseased humans when it comes to their brain, and because of that we do understand those individuals are obviously dangerous and not in control of their faculties.

This guy should be in a mental institution for the rest of his life, and to briefly speak on this we need to be much more open and aggressive as a society to deal and help people with mental disorders. Mental disorders represent numbers higher than heart disease or cancer, yes its different and not as 'fatal' but these people are still in need of professional help.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

yeah you are right, a lot of prisoners get released from prison and none of them reoffend.. good call...

That's called "changing your tune".

I think this Li character should spend the rest of his life behind a locked door, and maybe even forced to take his meds. His illness is obviously so severe, and his actions (at least the one we've heard about) so violent when he's off his medication and that he simply can't be allowed out.

That being said, the suggestion that it is a common occurrence in this country that mentally ill, violent people are routinely let out of hospitals only to kill more people is ridiculous.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Okay well don't put him in prison right away. Once these doctors say he all better now and can be free in society he should have to finish his term in jail.

At this point who is he endangering? He is all better now, right?

Just because you have a disease should not mean you get a free pass on a murder. They don't want to be discriminated but as soon as they are in trouble they want special treatment.

He will never be cured. Li will require medication and treatment for the rest of his life like my deceased friend did.

He was found criminaly not responsible. You thinks it's a free pass but it's not. Nor is some mental hosptial a cushy place to stay. It's very much like a prison. Difference being is you have people getting treatment for thier illness.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by Dion

He will never be cured. Li will require medication and treatment for the rest of his life like my deceased friend did.

He was found criminaly not responsible. You thinks it's a free pass but it's not. Nor is some mental hosptial a cushy place to stay. It's very much like a prison. Difference being is you have people getting treatment for thier illness.

So let's say he takes these meds and the doctors think he would be fine in society as long as he takes his medications. Why shouldn't he go to prison for the remaining amount of jail time he would have had like everyone else?

He can take his pills inside prison and even if it was low security prison, it could be a good way to transition these people into society. Give them time to get a routine to take their medications.

Because like you friend, if they go off them, then what? Bad things happen, they hurt themselves, they hurt other people.

It is truly sad that they have this disease, but it should be their responsibility to accept help. If not then they should be found responsible for their actions.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by HOOT

So let's say he takes these meds and the doctors think he would be fine in society as long as he takes his medications. Why shouldn't he go to prison for the remaining amount of jail time he would have had like everyone else?

He can take his pills inside prison and even if it was low security prison, it could be a good way to transition these people into society. Give them time to get a routine to take their medications.

What you are asking for is a change to the laws we have now. You want to take a person who was found not criminaly responsible for a crime and make him responsible so you can have him spend more time in prison. Either he spends time in a hospital or in a prison. I'm not sure you could have it both ways.

As for transistion into society i would think they would be getting day passes from the hospital as a form of reintegration into society plus maybe some help from a social worker. Or maybe even a halfway house that is similar to a low secuirty prison.

Because like you friend, if they go off them, then what? Bad things happen, they hurt themselves, they hurt other people.

It is truly sad that they have this disease, but it should be their responsibility to accept help. If not then they should be found responsible for their actions.

I would suspect that if Li was ever released there would be some strict conditions attached to it. He'd probably have to see a psychiatrist on a regular basis and be tested to see if he's taking his meds. Should he breach any of those conditions i suspect he'd be back in the hospital.

[HOOT]

Ya, okay. I'm done talking about this anyways. No matter what I say or think it will never change. Canada is Canada and will never change.

I guess it's good to know if I screw up once I will be forgiven mental issues or not.

[Jetsfan]

Bus beheader could be free in five years.

Stanley Yaren, a Winnipeg psychiatrist who has treated Li and testified at his trial last year, reportedly said during a meeting on suicide and mental health Monday that Li is making progress more quickly than is considered usual and could be released within five years.

http://www.calgarysun.com/news/canad.../13249781.html

[PyramidsofMars]

I'll be sure to walk around armed and not use any form of transportation other than my car once 2015 rolls about...

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by Jetsfan

Bus beheader could be free in five years.

Stanley Yaren, a Winnipeg psychiatrist who has treated Li and testified at his trial last year, reportedly said during a meeting on suicide and mental health Monday that Li is making progress more quickly than is considered usual and could be released within five years.

http://www.calgarysun.com/news/canad.../13249781.html

Wow. Unbelievable.

[Locke]

This is an outrage!! Heads will roll!!

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by Locke

This is an outrage!! Heads will roll!!

I know this is an internet forum and for the most part, anything goes, but that was just stupid, disrespectful and not very funny.

[REDVAN]

^^^

LOL at fotze thanking you.