Olympic PGT - CAN 3 - SUI 2 SO

[d_phaneuf]

Posts like Babcock is an idiot offer nothing though, the guy has won at every level he has coached at, including the highest level of stanley cup

just because Iginla didn't play in the third doesn't make him an idiot, while I disagree (along with others) about some of his choices

I have no doubt in my mind he knows more about coaching/decisions/matchups than 99.9999999% of the world

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

I thought Doughty was awful. Pronger was mediocre. Niedermayer was okay, but looked passive and flat-footed on the first Swiss goal. Boyle looked decent most of the game, but I have no idea what he was doing on that last PP--twice forcing the puck into passing lanes that aren't there instead of taking the easy pass to the open man. Yikes.

Weber was solid. Keith was very good. Morrow was flying--no idea why he wasn't out there every other shift. Crosby was very good, but the forward group overall was quite poor, constantly forcing the play and getting way too cute with the puck. Pretty much the only exception was the trio of Morrow, Iginla and Richards, who seemed to be the only line that could get anything resembling a cycle going.

Hopefully things improve as the tournament goes on. If they bring this caliber of game against the US, they'll lose.

[sa226]

I actually don't really care about the eek it out win. The swiss really played the game of their lives they were playing on the edge hence all the penalties.

The lower echelon teams play that passive style, because they have to. That gave Canada fits.

I think when we play a team with close to equal talent, we will play much better.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

why all the hate for the sharks?

outside of marleau they were good, they got both goals for Canada

more than the Getzlaf line, or the Crosby line

I did like it when Toews got to play with Crosby and Nash that seemed to get them going a bit in the third

only real problem I had with Babcock was benching Doughty after 1 mistake, a little harsh when he had been playing well

Neidermeyer is lost out there though, he is the worst pick on the team and its not even close

and I am assuming Iginla is injured for him to be benched, I don't think hes the top winger on the team like many people said, but he should be playing more than Morrow and Bergeron

What game were you watching? Toews was completely ineffective in that 3rd period on the top line, which made them a non factor. Iginla has had about 15 minutes of ice time in 120 minutes of play, has scored 3 times and set up Crosby on 3 glorious occasions yet he still finds himself as Babcocks whipping boy. If he isn't hurt BabCOCK is a moron.

Getzlaf was a turnover machine in that 3rd period, Niedermayer looked like beer leaguer the entire game, Pronger was making stupid selfish plays all night, Staal couldn't even receive a pass and Nash was trying to be Bobby Orr the entire game and these guys were rewarded with MORE ice time. Embarassing bench management and BabCOCK needs to get his head out of his a$$ if this nation has any chance at the gold medal!

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Tonight Switzerland embarassed a team of fat and sassy millionaires.

Canada walked away with 2/3rds of a win against a nobody team.

I'm sure the Russians are shaking in their boots.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by Locke

Drew Doughty? Ugh, other than make turnovers, poor pinches and crappy passes, what does this kid bring?

I don't think he was as bad as some are suggesting, but I think the kid is overrated. Mckenzie saying the other day that he could win the Norris trophy this year is a joke. He's just too flashy.

[sa226]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

Posts like Babcock is an idiot offer nothing though, the guy has won at every level he has coached at, including the highest level of stanley cup

just because Iginla didn't play in the third doesn't make him an idiot, while I disagree (along with others) about some of his choices

I have no doubt in my mind he knows more about coaching/decisions/matchups than 99.9999999% of the world

Thats a very level headed post considering your team allegiance and your presence in this forum, not to mention your user name.


I agree you don't win the stanley cup multiple times by being an idiot. Thats why its so confusing.

With player selection there was a big emphasis on players not playing out of position. Hence why Seabrook was chosen instead of Bouwmeester.

So why move centers like toews and Richards up with Crosby when you have a guy who just scored a hat trick.

It always difficult to take the flames blinders off, but I'm trying my best and its still very confusing.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Dan02

I actually didn't mind them whipping the SJ boys, I thought they were the best line out there for the Canadians tonight.

The Sharks line was the only line that was consistently dangerous out there. I have no problems with them getting the ice time. However Team Canada got out coached by the Swiss. With the talent discrepancy between the two teams there is no way the game should have gone past regulation. Babcock looked like a rookie coach out there juggling lines and benching players.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by sa226

Thats a very level headed post considering your team allegiance and your presence in this forum, not to mention your user name.


I agree you don't win the stanley cup multiple times by being an idiot. Thats why its so confusing.

With player selection there was a big emphasis on players not playing out of position. Hence why Seabrook was chosen instead of Bouwmeester.

So why move centers like toews and Richards up with Crosby when you have a guy who just scored a hat trick.

It always difficult to take the flames blinders off, but I'm trying my best and its still very confusing.

what does my team allegiance have to do with anything?

at this point its Canada, I don't care who plays for them I just want them to do well (I have said repeatedly that Brodeur should start over Luongo if you think its a Canucks bias, and I also said after the last game that I loved Iginla's hat trick if you think its an anti-Iginla bias)

Crosby played a lot better in the third than he did in the 1st 2 periods, that was when Toews was put on that line. That is why I liked the move, the first line needs to be built to get Sidney going. No matter who the two wingers are.

[MissTeeks]

Puck Daddy's Twitter from Babcock's post-game presser:

wyshynski No Seabrook injury. Coach's decision. Ditto no Iggy in 4 on 4

[zamler]

So Babcock really was a tool behind the bench, is he losing it or on a power trip maybe?

[HPLovecraft]

Appears Iginla wasn't injured, just benched in preference of a Toews that did nothing.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

Puck Daddy's Twitter from Babcock's post-game presser:

Seabrook was a fringe pick but singling him out doesn't seem fair when other players were having their share of miscues.

[PyramidsofMars]

Originally Posted by BACKCHECK!!!

Tonight Switzerland embarassed a team of fat and sassy millionaires.

Canada walked away with 2/3rds of a win against a nobody team.

I'm sure the Russians are shaking in their boots.

The Swiss are a much improved team in recent years and as someone whose background is half-Swiss I can assure you that the support is there for a future power and for continuing improvement in Swiss hockey. The Swiss league will only grow and the calibre of Swiss hockey players will only grow. Tonight they proved they are a capable hockey team, and I sincerely doubt that they're done for the tourney.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

what does my team allegiance have to do with anything?

at this point its Canada, I don't care who plays for them I just want them to do well (I have said repeatedly that Brodeur should start over Luongo if you think its a Canucks bias, and I also said after the last game that I loved Iginla's hat trick if you think its an anti-Iginla bias)

Crosby played a lot better in the third than he did in the 1st 2 periods, that was when Toews was put on that line. That is why I liked the move, the first line needs to be built to get Sidney going. No matter who the two wingers are.

Crosby was a complete non factor in that 3rd. He had the one great dash to the net where he was stopped on the backhand but besides that he was a non factor. Did Toews even touch the puck in that 3rd? It seemed like the only play that line had in the 3rd was dish it to Nash and hope he could drive hard wide to the net every single time which the Swiss defenders played perfectly and redered pretty much useless.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

Crosby played a lot better in the third than he did in the 1st 2 periods, that was when Toews was put on that line. That is why I liked the move, the first line needs to be built to get Sidney going. No matter who the two wingers are.

Crosby played better when he started shooting the bloody puck instead of looking to play cute. Iginla fed Crosby with good passes repeatedly in the first, something Toews failed to do in the third. Effectively, you are arguing that Iginla got benched because of Crosby's poor decisions.

[simonsays]

Pretty frustrating game to watch. Lots of beautiful setups with no finish, getting out hustled and got out goaltended. Marty was fine, but Hiller was unreal. Fantastic rebound control, which could be partly because he didn't actually face too many shots through traffic.

This isn't the allstar break, and goals don't depend on how many assists you're handing out. Force a rebound or two and expect that one of the other superstars on the team will be the first to the puck.

At least Babcock didn't put Iginla in the shootout.

[calgARI]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Even simpler: did Joe Thornton accomplish anything in that game?

Has he ever accomplished anything in a game of any importance?

[calgARI]

Coaching staff needs to realize that this is not an 82-game season. They do not have much time to generate the right combinations and chemistry. That is why taking Iginla off the Crosby line is so stupid. You have to stick with positive early results and build chemistry as fast as you possibly can. That was butchered tonight and there is one game left in the preliminary round now. Lack of chemistry and cohesion is what killed the team in 06 and made their offense completely ineffective.

[sa226]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

what does my team allegiance have to do with anything?

at this point its Canada, I don't care who plays for them I just want them to do well (I have said repeatedly that Brodeur should start over Luongo if you think its a Canucks bias, and I also said after the last game that I loved Iginla's hat trick if you think its an anti-Iginla bias)

Crosby played a lot better in the third than he did in the 1st 2 periods, that was when Toews was put on that line. That is why I liked the move, the first line needs to be built to get Sidney going. No matter who the two wingers are.

I was actually agreeing with you with a friendly jab at the beginning. Sorry that I stirred up some NW division hate.