Phaneuf,Sjostrom,Aulie traded to leafs for Hagman,Stajan,Mayers,White

[Hack&Lube]

I don't know where McKenzie is finding $4M in cap space. It's only about $1M, unless he counts on us not resigning two of these guys next year.

Another note - if you watch Burke's presser, Sutter ASKED for Mayers and was one of the lynchpins of the deal somehow.

[Schultzie]

Originally Posted by iggysback05

Anyone think that Darryl uses our surplus of forwards to land a Paul Kariya type?

If Darryl can somehow manage to move Langkow (and possibly Sarich) plus whatever else to acquire a legit first line player, I will be a happy guy.

[Leafs]

Originally Posted by noel

Right, because Toronto fans are a good measure of how 'good' the trade deal was...

To tell you the truth, not a lot of us thought that our package would ever fetch Phaneuf +, so a lot of us are happy (not just about this trade, but the other one with Anaheim as well).

That being said, you guys gained 2 borderline top 6 players, who are very good depth players and fill that role quite nicely. You also gained a #4 defenseman, who was arguably the #2 defenseman on most nights on our team. Your team depth has improved a great deal and they are solid additions to your lockerroom. That being said, I'm still surprised this deal went down, because my first impression when I heard we got Phaneuf was that we had given up Schenn or Gunnarsson and I was extremely worried.

I do think this trade will hurt our depth at forward, because Stajan was our first line centre at different points, and I'm a bit worried about where our goals are going to come from. The Flames have addressed that problem to some degree.

[Redliner]

I hope Stajan wears #14 here.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

I don't know where McKenzie is finding $4M in cap space. It's only about $1M, unless he counts on us not resigning two of these guys next year.

Another note - if you watch Burke's presser, Sutter ASKED for Mayers and was one of the lynchpins of the deal somehow.

Exactly.

Any cap space we "gain" will have to be spent just to maintain the status quo. This is why we needed a high pick or prospect coming back. We need the chance of getting a young player who can play top 6.

Hagman, Stajan, Myers... ya great... but quantity does not equal quality.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by McG

i will tell you who didn't lose today. the leafs. the bruins. the leafs got rid of players that had them near the bottom of the league. they replaced them with the best player in the trade. let me say that again. phaneuf in a bad year was still the best player in the deal.

http://www.tsn.ca/columnists/bob_mckenzie/?id=308500

"If you subscribe to the theory that the team that gets the best player wins the trade, it's pretty obvious who won the seven-player blockbuster deal between the Toronto Maple Leafs and Calgary Flames.

That would, of course, be... the Flames -- because right here, right now -- the best player in that group of seven is none other than Ian White."

[Shin Pad]

I'm happy with this Trade. I don't think Dion is going to be the Norris trophy candidate everyone once thought he might be. He is very skilled, but lacks hockey sense. You can't teach hockey sense - you either have it or you don't. He's out of position way to often. He is not that sound defensively. Basically, I'm glad the Flames got rid of him. He's not the player I want to have a franchise built around.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Schultzie

If Darryl can somehow manage to move Langkow (and possibly Sarich) plus whatever else to acquire a legit first line player, I will be a happy guy.

That's exactly what I think he will do but it won't come until the draft. You move Langkow out and you sign Stajan. Then you dump Sarich for a 4th or whatever.

[SeeGeeWhy]

I think there is risk that this will not send a message to the "veteran core" as much as it does to the youth on the team. Dion was genuinely shocked this morning and I think that is telling about what his attitude regarding his position on this team was. I get that the message is "no one is untouchable" when something like this happens, but I do think that its a little watered down when none of the vets were impacted today. Regher would have been easier to similarly deconstruct, but you sure wouldn't be getting the cap relief, scoring, etc that comes with dealing Dion.

I'm going to miss Dion but it was obvious that something had to give.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Schultzie

If Darryl can somehow manage to move Langkow (and possibly Sarich) plus whatever else to acquire a legit first line player, I will be a happy guy.

I agree,

Chances are Sutter is not done yet! Bottom line is this group just wasn't getting it done and we may still see another trade with a top six forward coming in.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

I don't know where McKenzie is finding $4M in cap space. It's only about $1M, unless he counts on us not resigning two of these guys next year.

Another note - if you watch Burke's presser, Sutter ASKED for Mayers and was one of the lynchpins of the deal somehow.

Complete and utter BS out of Burke.

It was reported two days ago that Mayers had asked Toronto for a trade.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

The interview with Robyn is interesting...he sounds energized and not glum at all.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Sly

When's the last time a team has won the Stanley Cup by making a major shake up at around mid-season?

first time for everything

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

I don't know where McKenzie is finding $4M in cap space. It's only about $1M, unless he counts on us not resigning two of these guys next year.

Another note - if you watch Burke's presser, Sutter ASKED for Mayers and was one of the lynchpins of the deal somehow.

He is only looking at the contracts next season (i.e. Mayers and Stajan are UFA and Phaneuf and Sjostrom have contracts).... this move gives the Flames lots of space next season.

[Dr. Doom]

Originally Posted by McG

i was thinking about this. we can debate at length (34 pages and a couple of server lockdowns already) about how good or bad this trade is for the flames. for those that don't think this is shades of gilmour/leeman, i am happy for you because you are trading in the currency of sports fans...hope. i respect that because that is a great place to be. unfortunately, i had "hope" for the leeman/gilmour trade at the time, although i secretly feared the worst.

all of the sutter spin has long since gotten old. the only way that the flames win this deal is if we get out of the first round, this year. i think sutter is under the gun alot and this deal will be sutter's signature deal...either way. i know what i think. i always remind myself that sutter built the sharks, but it took doug wilson to really make that team a consistent threat in the west. the lack of a draft pick coming back, any draft pick, tells me just how desperate sutter is.

i will tell you who didn't lose today. the leafs. the bruins. the leafs got rid of players that had them near the bottom of the league. they replaced them with the best player in the trade. let me say that again. phaneuf in a bad year was still the best player in the deal. all of the justification for 2nd line players etc on a last place team coming to the flames... 2 of the players are UFAs, and could be signed for no player cost in the off season. white is an rfa. hagman is an upgrade on sjostrom. the leafs won't be worse because they lost these players. they are already at the bottom. its like saying that we want oiler 2nd and 3rd line players because they will be better with us. the bruins win for obvious reasons. funnily enough...the leafs also win by tanking. all of their picks that they didn't trade just got confirmed. the leafs kept what would be considered their core today. kessel, schenn, kaberle; they dumped 2 UFAs, an RFA, and a 30 year old. they got the best player in the deal in a bad season. they got the best prospect. they got the most signed contracts.

once i got over the shock of trading phaneuf, i guess i understand why we had to make the trade. what i don't understand is the complete lack of return that we got.

we talk about cap room, and the potential of using that. and yet, we dismiss the potential of phaneuf.

if we don't get out of the first round this season, sutter should be fired. there is no future to this deal for the flames. if we get out of the first round, sutter can stay.

did the flames win this trade? maybe, maybe not.

did the leafs win this trade? they absolutely did not lose this trade.

i have made excuses for the flames because as a fan that is my right. i guess it is also my right to question the return that we got on this trade.

You're forgetting one thing in a salary cap era there bud.

A $7 mil dollar bust will easily mean your chances between a stanley cup or not. The way things were going I would suggest not...

Whose to say Phaneuf would have ever turned it aorund here? I'll tell you who doesn't think so, Sutter.

And in Sutter I have to believe.

$7 million dollar players with baggage and upside can be attained down the road if we want to take that chance. Sutter apparently didn't want to take the chance this time around, and I have to believe he knows what he's doing and you (who does not operate on the inside) does not.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

That's exactly what I think he will do but it won't come until the draft. You move Langkow out and you sign Stajan. Then you dump Sarich for a 4th or whatever.

Why would Stajan not wait to become a free agent? He has no loyalties at this point and given the shallow free agency market next season, he stands to really capitalize. If I'm his agent, I am either urging him to become a free agent or to play hard ball with the Flames.

I'll be surprised if Stajan isn't a rental or overpaid by the Flames when all this is said and done.

[Jagger]

<Deep breath>

First off I'm going to eat a whole bunch of

and then some. Albert GQ, in particular, my apologies. Never did I expect Sutter to deal Dion.

I hated the deal at first and was completely shocked by it, quite frankly.

It really does prove that you can never believe anything that Daryl Sutter says. I have some sources regarding Dion, from his Rebels days, and absolutely nobody saw this coming. I don't believe that Phaneuf asked for a trade either. Not from what I've heard but, then, I'm not sure about my sources anymore.

My first thought was Gilmour part deux. That's perhaps an overreaction however. Things are vastly different in the cap era and Dion's salary was crippling for the Flames. The bits and pieces they got back from the Leafs are actually ok, although not great, perhaps another reality of the cap era. Ian White is decent. I always liked him from his dub days. Yes, he's small but that's not a problem nowadays. Hagman is a quality player, a left winger that has been solely missing. Stajan is good too. I'd say slightly underrated. The other player is a throw in so no comment there.

If you go by the old adage that the team getting the best player in a trade wins that trade then the Leafs win this one going away. However, there is way more at play now. Only time will tell how this one plays out in the long run.

Don't get me wrong here though. As probably one of the biggest Phaneuf fans on this forum I'm absolutely gutted about this move. I've defended him against some of the biggest Phaneuf haters on CP. They should be elated with this trade but now I see some of them bemoaning the return. You can't have it both ways guys.

Not a happy day but, perhaps, a necessary day for the Flames, like it or not.

[Smell My Finger]

Burke got to keep Kaberle, Their top young player Schenn.
Deal no draft picks.
Burke kept every player he wanted to keep. Sutter gave Burke what Burke wanted. Sutter settled!

A 4rth line UFA Mayers
a second line player under contract Hagman for 2 more years
a second line UFA player Stajan. Stajan will demand more money that Sutter may not be willing to pay.
a second line RFA Dman White. White will want more money. Flames will likely resign him.

Sutter gives away
Our top young allstar Dman Phaneuf under contract for 5 more years.
a 4th line Sjostrom that has 1 more year.
a top Dman prospect.

Burke gave up nothing of his future than Hagman who Burke could not stand anyways. Flames win this deal if Sutter is lucky for 3 months.

[darthma]

Originally Posted by I_H8_Crawford

FIRE D Sutter NOW.

What a horrible trade.

How many times do you have to say this?

I like the trade. Flames get a solid D who could potentially QB the PP. I've watched quite a few TML games and he's a good d-man. Stajan is a UFA after this year, so if he flops, he's gone. Hagman is pretty skilled up front, and he can dangle quite a bit. He is, however, a bit of a defensive liability.

And seriously, what did you expect to get from Dion? This is good. We free up cap space for next year. We get FOUR NHL caliber players for one (or 1.5 if you count Sjostrom).

Besides, the way the Flames were going, were you really happy? Some people just can't be pleased. Sit on the trade for a while. I think once you think about it, you'll like it.

[bugsy]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

The interview with Robyn is interesting...he sounds energized and not glum at all.

And i think that is hugely telling. Good on ya Robyn, time to dust off your boots now and get to work. Still say good, and ultimately, necessary, trade.