U of C tuition to go up: way up

[FlamesPuck12]

Originally Posted by Bob

Jesus, 13 grand for 1 semester

Haha yup, all I know is that I'm going to be in a huge debt when I graduate...

[yads]

Would the increasehave been that much smaller if they had spread it out over all faculties? Aren't the faculties listed the biggest on campus? The graduates from which are able to bear the financial burden easier than graduates from other faculties. I can see the justification. I'm surprised they didn't hit comp sci courses. I wonder if all the people in software eng will suddenly become comp sci majors.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Torture

I agree. The City of Winnepeg is selling naming rights to pretty much everything in the city to raise money - parking meters, heart defibrillators, you name it. While that may be taking it to the extreme I don't see why other faculties at the UofC can't follow Haskayne and Schulich's example.

I know I wouldn't give a damn if something like Science Theaters was renamed.

To be fair, they aren't exactly selling the naming rights.
They're renaming buildings after guys who have made HUGE donations to the university, which is a little different than getting cash to call it the Pepsi Science Theatres.

[Locke]

I gotta say, I think it would definitely make the University a more friendly place were they to be called the "Hooters Theaters"

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by MattyC

yeah Manzo is the man. I tried to get into a class with him again this year but it conflicted with a core course. I beleive he's fredr123 or something

False.

Originally Posted by Locke

I dont think its fredr, I think hes a lawyer.

True.

My first year of Law School coincided with the first year of differential tuition at the U of C. At least the current batch of law students can benefit from the renovated facilities there. We got to pay higher fees and endure theaters and libraries "under construction/renovation."

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by yads

The graduates from which are able to bear the financial burden easier than graduates from other faculties. I can see the justification.

That's a terrible justification. It's not an engineering student's fault that someone wanted to spend a couple years taking some general studies courses so they could find themselves.

If this fee increase went to greatly improve quality of the engineering, business, law and medicine programs at U of C, then I could understand it and would probably even support it. It'll probably get wasted though.

[yads]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

That's a terrible justification. It's not an engineering student's fault that someone wanted to spend a couple years taking some general studies courses so they could find themselves.

If this fee increase went to greatly improve quality of the engineering, business, law and medicine programs at U of C, then I could understand it and would probably even support it. It'll probably get wasted though.

I didn't mention people who screw around and take courses because they don't know what they want. It is easier for an engineering graduate to pay off his student loans than an arts major. Not everyone goes to uni just so they can get a well paying job.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by yads

It is easier for an engineering graduate to pay off his student loans than an arts major. Not everyone goes to uni just so they can get a well paying job.

So? The arts major can either pay off his own debt, take something else that will make him more money in the long run or not go to school. If you're going to university and don't give a damn about where you'll be after you graduate you probably also don't care about piling on a little more debt.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

I'm not saying that raising tuition is the right thing to do. Obviously it creates a huge hardship for students, particularly when you could argue that the quality of the product is going down, not up. I just think it's worth pointing the finger at the right people if we're going to be upset about this. If you don't like higher tuition, don't blame the school--they're out of options. Blame the Stelmach government.

Philosophically many will disagree with me, but I think thats only true if you assume the government has sole responsibility for individuals education.

There are well paid administrators running one of biggest businesses in the city, who can't or don't manage to anything other than government grants. That's a choice.

There are students who think whatever they choose to do with their lives is someone else's obligation to fund.

The issue to me is a dramatic swing, which is the fault of crappy admins and students arguing every change, and eventually the adjustments get huge.

[Torture]

If this fee increase went to greatly improve quality of the engineering, business, law and medicine programs at U of C, then I could understand it and would probably even support it. It'll probably get wasted though.

It's not. The faculties don't even get to touch the money, it's going directly to the UofC's deficit.

[Esoteric]

I think a 45% increase in my fee's should not happen for the following semester. This increase should be applied over the course of several years, and not all at once. Hell, if they made it 2 years from now I'd be ok with it, as I already had budgets in place for the upcoming year and spent my money to go to Europe already.

[Flames0910]

Originally Posted by Esoteric

I think a 45% increase in my fee's should not happen for the following semester. This increase should be applied over the course of several years, and not all at once. Hell, if they made it 2 years from now I'd be ok with it, as I already had budgets in place for the upcoming year and spent my money to go to Europe already.

That's what has me enraged too. 46.5% in one year!? That's disgusting and atrocious. Honestly, every time I think of that number I want to gag. The administrators should be ashamed of themselves.

I finish this year, so I (luckily) don't have to deal with it. The people I feel the worst for are the first years that have committed themselves to this institution and are now faced with three long years of exorbitant prices. And who's to say that they won't go up again next year? The whole thing is so incredibly arbitrary.


There was a discussion on facebook that the other students go on to get involved in important societal roles that don't pay well such as rights movements, environmental causes, social services, etc. I think that's garbage - these organizations need business students, engineers and doctors just as much as they need Women's Studies majors. It's like in How I Met Your Mother, when Marshall is eventually forced to work for the souless corporation with NPH because of the combined debt from Lilly's spending and law school. By raising tuition prices, we're forcing students into job streams that will pay off the debt as quickly as possible. What about the students who want to go live with gorillas?

People say that business students are greedy and just in it for the money. In my experience this isn't true at all - there are some phenomenal people in the business faculty that really want to make a difference. With these tuition changes, what is really being done is destroying our hope for the future. The end-product from these hit faculties will be jaded, cynical, debt-laden students. And who can blame them? They're being taken advantage of to pay not only for their own education, but for everybody's!

[jkstuart12]

As a third year business student I am enraged at this proposal. However, I am puzzled by the students who say they are going to walk out of class for a week or so "to get back at the UofC". All that's going to do is make you fail your midterms and force you to retake the class next semester (when the fees are 46.5% higher).

Maybe that's what the UofC really wants

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

So? The arts major can either pay off his own debt, take something else that will make him more money in the long run or not go to school. If you're going to university and don't give a damn about where you'll be after you graduate you probably also don't care about piling on a little more debt.

Absolutely!

However, it's not all roses here in eng this year I will let you know that...

*bitter sigh*

[Da_Chief]

Lawyers/Engineers/Business/Medicine are all degrees that will pay you way better than Communication/Art/History etc. when you graduate so it only makes sense to pay more when you earn that degree as well. Easy for me to say since I'm graduating in 3 months but it makes sense to me. THe only thing is though, since these students will pay more they better make it a better learning experience for them too, ie smaller class rooms, better profs, less needless courses.

One more thing, in Engineering they try to get rid of students in first and second year with some insane course loads, they gotta stop that BS, cuz it would really suck paying that much for the first 2 years and than get kicked out and be in this massive debt.

[Flames0910]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Lawyers/Engineers/Business/Medicine are all degrees that will pay you way better than Communication/Art/History etc. when you graduate so it only makes sense to pay more when you earn that degree as well. Easy for me to say since I'm graduating in 3 months but it makes sense to me. THe only thing is though, since these students will pay more they better make it a better learning experience for them too, ie smaller class rooms, better profs, less needless courses.

Not-for-profits, social services, etc all need engineers, business and medical students as well. For example, Doctors/Engineers without Borders. Forcing these students to finance other faculty's education simply ensures that they'll all go to soulless corps, accounting firms and oil & gas companies.

Also, these fees aren't going to the faculty so they won't improve the education experience. For the most part I've been pretty happy with my business courses, but the UofC has been promising smaller class sizes for years and hasn't come through on it.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Flames0910

Not-for-profits, social services, etc all need engineers, business and medical students as well. For example, Doctors/Engineers without Borders. Forcing these students to finance other faculty's education simply ensures that they'll all go to soulless corps, accounting firms and oil & gas companies.

Also, these fees aren't going to the faculty so they won't improve the education experience. For the most part I've been pretty happy with my business courses, but the UofC has been promising smaller class sizes for years and hasn't come through on it.

Thats where they're going right now too, all my engg buddies, we're all looking for jobs in the oil and gas companies and we got our education when the tuition was less. I've yet to meet a person who was looking to do otherwise and that comes from the fact we all have loans etc we need to pay off than we can look to go help out the non-profit groups. So $10 or a $20 loan we have to pay it before we can lend a hand.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

One more thing, in Engineering they try to get rid of students in first and second year with some insane course loads, they gotta stop that BS, cuz it would really suck paying that much for the first 2 years and than get kicked out and be in this massive debt.

What a bizarre perspective. Tougher course loads preserve the integrity of the degree and marketability of the students after graduation. "Weeder" programs are a necessary evil and help the institution keep people who truly want to complete their programs.

You shouldn't get to graduate because you pay a bunch of money, that's part of the deal. Don't like it? Study more or don't bother.

[Orange]

Tuition increases are nothing short of ridiculous, it's pratically to give Harvey his $4.75M going away present.

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

One more thing, in Engineering they try to get rid of students in first and second year with some insane course loads, they gotta stop that BS, cuz it would really suck paying that much for the first 2 years and than get kicked out and be in this massive debt.

I completely disagree with this. The last thing you want to do is make first and second year engineering any easier, that's a sure fire way to make our (now way overpriced) engineering diplomas worthless. You'd really be amazed by the pure incompetence that some of the students that make it through second year show.

If anything I'd say make those years harder which would reduce the class sizes (a common complaint) and give the engineering program at the U of C a more "elite" status. That could be worth the price of increase tuition...except they can't afford to fail any more students because they need the money from them to pay off their debt, what a joke.

[Shazam]

So I was listening to QR77 a couple of days ago; some Liberal MLA was blathering that the increases were to cover huge losses incurred by the U of C from asset-backed invesment losses. Any truth to this?