Suppliments

[wooohooo]

Originally Posted by daaznfob

This is from bodybuilding.com

Amino acids are essential to the human body. Bodybuilders can especially benefit from supplementing amino acids because they aid in repair, growth, and development of muscle tissue. The body, through assimilation of amino acids, produces over 50,000 proteins and over 15,000 enzymes. Amino acids are not only responsible for the production of all the body's enzymes (including digestive enzymes), but they also play a key role in normalizing moods, concentration, aggression, attention, and sleep. After protein is consumed, it is broken down into amino acids. Then, individual amino acids are used to create necessary body proteins and enzymes. Digestive enzymes break down the proteins a person consumes into amino acids. Scientists, experts, and medical professionals agree that getting enough amino acids in one's diet is an important factor in maintaining good nutrition.


Protein, creatine, and amino acids are not dangerous to your body. Do a little research and know how they react with your body, everyones body is different. Anything CAN be dangerous, even to much water

The only problem I have with these bodybuilding websites are that a lot eat a lot of supplements that they have no idea what is put into them. The problem more so is they're not regulated and the manufacturer can pretty much put whatever they want in it.

[HOOT]

6'4" and 150?!?! Holy man do you eat more than once a day?

I have a buddy who is 6'4" and 205 and he looks like stick.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by HOOT

I have a buddy who is 6'4" and 205 and he looks like stick.

You consider J pold a buddy?

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

It is not about anecdotal evidence but the fact that you're a scrawny guy, and 185 @ 6'1" is scrawny, demonstrates that you have no experience in building muscle.

You resistance train for over 10 hours a week and you're still scrawny? Sounds like you don't know what the hell you're doing and you're just wasting time. Probably because you don't eat enough protein, or just calories in general.

As for my weight, it's significantly more than yours. Hell, 185 is around my lean body mass.

Well it's very clear to me what you're motives are in this discussion.

Way to address the rest of my points. What a joke you are.

But I'll bite nonetheless.

As I mentioned, but I'm sure you ignored, it's literally unhealthy if I lose any more fat. Most hockey players have a surprisingly high body fat, since added weight to your frame will help balance and your sturdiness on the puck. And goalies tend to be much more "out of shape" in regards to body fat.

How about this. Is Rich Hesketh "scrawny"?



I've never met him in person, but he doesn't look a whole lot bigger than I am, if at all. The guy is a trainer for a living, I think he knows what he's doing.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

My only motive is to point out that you're a blowhard who doesn't know what you're talking about.

Why are you hung up on losing fat? When did I ever say that you should do that? I said you should try adding muscle. Because despite your "knowledge" and 10+ hours of resistance training a week you seem unable to do. Meanwhile plenty of people without your knowledge are able to do so on 3 hours of training per week.

And the Flames trainer has twigs for legs. He's lean but he's not a big guy from the pics you posted.

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Again I think you are confused on what an actual supplement is. I wouldn't take a caffeine pill and say I'm supplementing my caffeine intake. However, living in cloudy Victoria I take Vitamin D in the winters because the lack of sun, so I'm supplementing my Vitamin D intake. Thermogenics are not supplements. And I agree thermogenics are a waste of money and if you just spent a little more time in the gym or looking after your diet you would get the same, if not better, results than just taking some pill.

What are the dangers of taking creatine, amino acids and proteins?

I guess I should clarify then. I'm equating supplements with ergogenic aids. Anything that aids (or claims to aid) performance. Most GNC products fall into this category.

Protein powder has limited dangers, aside from the stress on the kidneys that high amounts put on the body. But as I said before, they generally adapt. A big problem with protein powders is the artificial sweeteners that's in them. Even the ones that are deemed most safe (sucralose) by the FDA still are very suspect. I take a pure whey protein isolate (unflavored).

Creatine is also generally safe. The problem with it comes with education of those taking it. You have to know what it's for and what it's use is limited to (it's quite limited). Since it works on the phosphocreatine energy system, it's only the first ~10 seconds of intense exercise. It wouldn't do much, if anything, for volume resistance training. For intensity and things like 1RM, it does have some advantages, but they are quite small. It's more geared towards something like an olympic sprinter where they need every advantage possible. Considering cost, it likely isn't worth it for the every day gym rat. Also, it actually inhibits your natural phosphocreatine synthesis, and that kind of impinges on unnatural in my opinion. Here is a good research article on the limits of creatine.

Individual amino acid supplements may actually interfere with the absorption of other essential amino acids; not something you want, especially those obsessed with protein intake. Really glutamine is the only one you should consider taking individually at all, as it and some other branched amino acids may have some performance benefits, depending on what it is you're doing.

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

My only motive is to point out that you're a blowhard who doesn't know what you're talking about.

Why are you hung up on losing fat? When did I ever say that you should do that? I said you should try adding muscle. Because despite your "knowledge" and 10+ hours of resistance training a week you seem unable to do. Meanwhile plenty of people without your knowledge are able to do so on 3 hours of training per week.

And the Flames trainer has twigs for legs. He's lean but he's not a big guy from the pics you posted.

Oh man, so based off this you've got to be in the ing strong man.

I'm not hung up on losing fat. I'm pointing out weight + height doesn't mean much at all without context. So you're, I'm guessing, about 6'2 350 lbs? So you're just a fatty who's intent is just to call people who actually have some level of fitness "scrawny"?

You've ignored any form of truth I've posted. It's all friggin science. It's one thing to not have a higher education and understand the scientific method, but you've completely ignored any form of reason in this thread.

Show me some pictures of some guys with "muscle", then.

And answer the damn question. How much do you weigh?

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty

I guess I should clarify then. I'm equating supplements with ergogenic aids. Anything that aids (or claims to aid) performance. Most GNC products fall into this category.

Most GNC products do not fall into the category of supplements. You are confusing things and it is making you look like you have no clue what is going on.

If you think supplements fall into the category of ergogenic aids than I'm not sure what you are thinking. Steriods and amino acids are completely different, one is a supplement, one would be an ergogenic aid.

Supplements are one thing, Theromogenics (fat loss pills) are another and ergogenic aids are another completely separate category.

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Most GNC products do not fall into the category of supplements. You are confusing things and it is making you look like you have no clue what is going on.

If you think supplements fall into the category of ergogenic aids than I'm not sure what you are thinking. Steriods and amino acids are completely different, one is a supplement, one would be an ergogenic aid.

Supplements are one thing, Theromogenics (fat loss pills) are another and ergogenic aids are another completely separate category.

I'm not necessarily talking about dietary supplements.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodybuilding_supplement

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty

I'm not necessarily talking about dietary supplements.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodybuilding_supplement

What are you talking about though?

How do Protein, Amino Acids, Creatine fall under ergogenic aids?

If someone asked you to explain these three products what would better describe them? Supplements or ergogenic aids?

If someone asked you to explain steroids what would better describe them? Supplements or ergogenic aids?

It feels like you are trying to lump everything into one big category and basically saying anything that falls into this category is a rip off and people are victims for taking them.

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by HOOT

What are you talking about though?

How do Protein, Amino Acids, Creatine fall under ergogenic aids?

If someone asked you to explain these three products what would better describe them? Supplements or ergogenic aids?

If someone asked you to explain steroids what would better describe them? Supplements or ergogenic aids?

It feels like you are trying to lump everything into one big category and basically saying anything that falls into this category is a rip off and people are victims for taking them.

Creatine is an ergogenic aid (bodybuilding supplement). Steroids too, obviously.

Protein powders and amino acids are dietary supplements; but may be confused as ergogenic aids. Like if someone is getting their dietary requirements but thinks that they need a protein supplement to build muscle.

You're right, I've been using the term "supplement" ambigiously; I apologize. I mean that most of all supplements, bodybuilding (ergogenic aids) and dietary are likely bull. That includes things like creatine, but also things like GNC vitamin/mineral supplements that have something like 1300% of your RDA of B6 with 500% of your magnesium, or some such ridiculous combination that you just piss out a couple hours later.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty

You're right, I've been using the term "supplement" ambigiously; I apologize.

Understandable but for people that don't know much about this stuff may take your advice to mean all supplements. There are great supplements out there and it is finding the right mix for your body and your diet.

Anyways as long as people understand that not all 'supplements' are not a gimmick or scam and can be very useful for your body and everyday life. I agree thermogenics or other fat loss pills are a waste because as I said before if you paid attention you would get better results and you wouldn't need to live with those pills forever to keep the weight off. They give great results for the most part but once you stop taking them you are back at square one.

Eatting correctly is 90% of the battle, exercise and supplements fall into the other 10%.

[J pold]

Alright that settles it, I'm never posting my height/weight on the internet again.

[wooohooo]

Originally Posted by J pold

Alright that settles it, I'm never posting my height/weight on the internet again.

Haha. I think you've got a pretty good size to weight ratio. Granted,
it's hard to judge someone just from their height and weight... unless you're Justin then we all know you're string beans.

Someone can be 200 pounds of fat or 200 pounds of muscle, very different. Nothing wrong with being a little lean.

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by wooohooo

Haha. I think you've got a pretty good size to weight ratio. Granted,
it's hard to judge someone just from their height and weight... unless you're Justin then we all know you're string beans.

Someone can be 200 pounds of fat or 200 pounds of muscle, very different. Nothing wrong with being a little lean.

The hate.

Granted I am skinny, but I don't look like a pole. haha

I do eat more than a meal a day, I eat like 3 meals a day + snacks. I just don't gain weight.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by J pold

Alright that settles it, I'm never posting my height/weight on the internet again.

Us fat guys are just jealous.

[wooohooo]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

The hate.

Granted I am skinny, but I don't look like a pole. haha

I do eat more than a meal a day, I eat like 3 meals a day + snacks. I just don't gain weight.

I'm just playing with you .
I had a problem gaining weight back in the day then all of a sudden in a month you gain 30 pounds. It was seriously quite insane for me. Although I would love to be 6'4 and not 5'10. The advantages I could have in sports, looking down at people... awesome

[dissentowner]

I take O.N whey protein and Mega Man sport vitamins and that is it for supplements.
I work out 3 times a week and I am 6'0, 180lbs and in very good shape. As long as you stay active and get those 3 days a week in the gym with a good workout, strength training is a must then you should end up in pretty good shape IMO.

[dissentowner]

Also, the biggest thing really is not supplements, it's diet. Cut all the crap out and eat lean meats, munch on veggies for a snack. Give yourself a cheat day once every two weeks so you don't go insane but otherwise stick to a healthy diet. 75% of getting to where you want to be is diet.

[worth]

Perhaps supplements wasn't the correct word to use in this topic. I basically used it as an overall arching term of items you put in your mouth other than regular food and fotze's mom.

Anyway, I see supplements broken down into two categories based on how I use them.

1) I take Vitamin D, Lutein, Men's Multivitamin and Vitamin C daily. I used to also take fish oils, but it's too expensive for me most of the time.

2) The other "supplements" I'm taking (I don't know what else to call them) are whey protein powder, and a recovery drink like I said before. The purpose of them are for additional protein, additional calories and to rebuild muscle and help restore tissues. I know this is done during rest, which is why I try to get a healthy 8 hours every night.

So this coupled with my decent diet, is what I do while I work out. Just need to add to my diet, which I have been doing.