Who's getting the H1N1 shot?

[Red]

Getting it hopefully tonight as are my wife and two kids. Better safe than sorry.

[stang]

Originally Posted by peter12

How do you make money off of vaccinations?

Serious? You dont think the people who are making this disease are raking in the dough?

http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com...han-swine-flu/

It is obvious that the vaccine manufacturers stand to make billions of dollars in profits from this WHO/government-promoted pandemic. Novartis, the maker of the new pandemic vaccine, recently announced that they would not give free vaccines to impoverished nations—everybody pays.

[Red]

Originally Posted by macker

You aren't looking far enough up the chain...

To me it is completely irrelevant who makes money on this or if the flu was invented by humans for profit. If so that's criminal, but the bottom line is that I don't want anything to happen to my family. That's why we are all getting the shot.

[photon]

If they really wanted to profit they'd just let people get sick.

After all you can charge a lot more for a week or two of drugs than a single vaccine.

macker if you want to start a crazy conspiracy thread about "big pharma" and such go ahead, but I don't want this thread gummed up with that garbage.

[Rerun]

I must say this though.... only having 4 public health clinics open that are administering the flu shot, and these are open from 8:30 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Mon-Thurs and 8:30 a.m. to 3:30 p.m. Fri,Sat & Sun, is just stupid. Way too few clinics for a city with a population over 1 million people (not counting the surrounding rural and small town populations).

I'm hearing that the lineups outside the clinics is just horrendous! You apparently could be stuck waiting for hours today to get your H1N1 shot.

[stang]

Originally Posted by photon

If they really wanted to profit they'd just let people get sick.

Or maybe the H1N1 isnt really going to hit as hard, so they wouldnt make any money because noone will get sick.

Not saying I beleive it, just throwing it out there...

Still not getting it though

[valo403]

Originally Posted by photon

If they really wanted to profit they'd just let people get sick.

After all you can charge a lot more for a week or two of drugs than a single vaccine.

macker if you want to start a crazy conspiracy thread about "big pharma" and such go ahead, but I don't want this thread gummed up with that garbage.

I don't mean to gum up the thread, but that's not necessarily true. Sure it costs more for 2 weeks of care than it does for one vaccine, but if hundreds f millions of people get the vaccine more profit can be made based on volume. A patient for 2 weeks is also not guaranteed to be getting the drugs manufactured by company x, so that's a factor.

I don't really think there's a mass conspiracy, but I do think there's much more panic and fear mongering going on than is warranted. That's apr for the course in the world of the 24 hour news cycle.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by J pold

Explain to me where you see a correlation between a persons IQ and them deciding to get a flu shot.

Are you suggesting that those who choose not to get a flu have a low IQ?

Did I say that? Let me check...

Originally Posted by Rerun

I must say that I am shocked by the results (as of this post) of the poll.

I would say that the average IQ of the posters on here is above average, and to see that the yeas and nays are so close (94 to 90), is astonishing.

Nope. I didn't say that. That's an assumption you have made.

[macker]

Originally Posted by photon

If they really wanted to profit they'd just let people get sick.

After all you can charge a lot more for a week or two of drugs than a single vaccine.

macker if you want to start a crazy conspiracy thread about "big pharma" and such go ahead, but I don't want this thread gummed up with that garbage.

Sorry. I just thought that Big Pharma belongs in this discussion. I just don't see this as any different vs 1976 except now we have the media, internet, and bigger pharma. It's not a conspiracy but the reality as I see it otherwise known as my opinion.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by macker

Sorry. I just thought that Big Pharma belongs in this discussion. I just don't see this as any different vs 1976 except now we have the media, internet, and bigger pharma. It's not a conspiracy but the reality as I see it otherwise known as my opinion.

This is called paranoid delusion.

[Mike Oxlong]

I understand the theory behind the pharma companies making a huge profit off of this.

How are doctors and the health and government officials making a profit by encouraging everyone to get a shot?

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by peter12

Except Canada has socialized medicine and there isn't a lot of profit to be made.

Well to be fair to our corporate fear mongering friend, Canada still buys the vaccine and other H1N1 drugs from international drug companies. Capitalism exists in some facets in our system since we do not exist in a vacuum.

The issue as I see it is that in life there are no absolutes. On one hand there is no 100% guarentee that the vaccine will not have any negative side-effects (the 1976 vaccination campaign in the US provides an example), nor is there any guarantee that the vaccine will even 100% protect you from the current strain of H1N1. For whatever reason, when there is a choice of tradeoffs of possible negative outcomes people tend to ignore what the probabilities tell you and go with the 'do nothing option.' For whatever reason they think that doing nothing makes them personally less culpable if something negative happens. Even if that means doing nothing, getting swine flu, not dying themselves, but passing it on to others in which someone in their chain of infection actually does perish. Out of sight out of mind I guess.

I have asthma, a flu that causes serious breathing problems has a much larger probability of killing me than most of the population. The probability of me dying from H1N1 is much higher than me dying or suffering serious consequences from this vaccine. There are many people out there like me who won't have the ability to get vaccinated or who will still get sick despite getting vaccinated (Because it will only be 80 or 90% effective). People like me will die this winter and fall because of people who brush off getting vaccinated, thus allowing it to spread more than if more people were vaccinated. If I was someone who didn't have asthma, I'd still get the vaccination at the very least to do something to help those who are more vulnerable.

[macker]

Originally Posted by peter12

This is called paranoid delusion.

Wow. What a heated issue. I guess I am just a shot away from the cure then right!

[photon]

Originally Posted by stang

Or maybe the H1N1 isnt really going to hit as hard, so they wouldnt make any money because noone will get sick.

True.

The thing is that they don't know how hard it is going to hit. There's a bazillion variables, and they only know 42 of them.

All they can do is study previous instances and compare the situations and make preparations; plan for a worst case scenario.

People complain about all the doom and gloom (from the media), and really what are they asking people to do, get vaccinated!? The response by some to this request is what is disproportionate, it's as if they were asking people to pay more taxes or something.

And they really are in a lose - lose situation. If they didn't try and prepare and something serious happened, they'd be hung. If they do try and prepare and nothing serious happens, they get hung.

Originally Posted by valo403

A patient for 2 weeks is also not guaranteed to be getting the drugs manufactured by company x, so that's a factor.

That's true, but remember this is a grand conspiracy by big pharma If they're making up things out of thin air to generate demand for the vaccine, they can just as easily make up things out of thin air to make sure that the drugs required for a 2 week run are theirs too...

See, that's the fun of conspiracies, you can make up whatever you want, and you can't disprove it!

Originally Posted by valo403

I don't really think there's a mass conspiracy, but I do think there's much more panic and fear mongering going on than is warranted. That's apr for the course in the world of the 24 hour news cycle.

The media definitely takes things to the extreme, but even then it's not so much what the media says, it's more that they repeat it so much and it's so pervasive it sounds like panic and fear mongering.

EDIT: I'm ignoring my own admonition, I should give myself an infraction...

[peter12]

Originally Posted by stang

Serious? You dont think the people who are making this disease are raking in the dough?

http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com...han-swine-flu/

People who read blogs for news still have the IQs of canines.

[J pold]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Did I say that? Let me check...


Nope. I didn't say that. That's an assumption you have made.

No it's not an assumption, I'm asking you a question.

I'm not stating that your post implied that people who choose not to get a flu shot have a low IQ

I'm asking you if your post implied that people who choose not to get a flue shot have a low IQ

Asking someone a question is not an assumption.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by J pold

No it's not an assumption, I'm asking you a question.

I'm not stating that your post implied that people who choose not to get a flu shot have a low IQ

I'm asking you if your post implied that people who choose not to get a flue shot have a low IQ

Asking someone a question is not an assumption.

Your previous reasoning stated that you would not get the shot as you haven't been sick in 7 years. Would that position change if you did get H1N1?

[SeeGeeWhy]

All I know is that the consequence of the H1N1 strain has been described as being quite drastic (severe sickness or death) for people in my age group. The risk is moderate - I'm pretty sure odds for getting the flu are not astronomical. Lastly, the cost of protecting myself is fairly minimal... avoid crowds, stay clean, get lots of rest, and get a FREE vaccine.

Pretty simple math for me to follow.

[stang]

Originally Posted by photon

And they really are in a lose - lose situation. If they didn't try and prepare and something serious happened, they'd be hung. If they do try and prepare and nothing serious happens, they get hung.

Not true... If they do prepare and nothing serious happens they can say... thankfully the vaccine worked. Never mind the (however small) percentage of people who will have serious side effects.

[stang]

Originally Posted by peter12

People who read blogs for news still have the IQs of canines.

I read it somewhere, tossed it out there, and had to google for a link... that was the first one that came up.

Here is his website, he is a neurosurgeon.
http://www.russellblaylockmd.com/

Arse.

Originally Posted by peter12

Your previous reasoning stated that you would not get the shot as you haven't been sick in 7 years. Would that position change if you did get H1N1?

How about my reasoning? I got the flu twice in my 27 years on this planet. I got the flu shot twice in my 27 years on this planet. Funnily enough they were the same years.

I havent missed a day of work in over 6 years due to illness, My last flu shot, and getting the flu was 2002.

Would you get it if your were me?

Edit: I am not trying to convince people NOT to get the shot. I am just saying based on my experiences it doesnt seem to work for ME. Just because I wont be going for it, doesnt mean I am going to get it.