2009 NCAA football thread!!

[JayP]

Originally Posted by transplant99

great examples.


Now lets look at the rest you left out shall we?

This is just bowl games the last few years...the non-major winners highlighted.

2009

BYU 21 vs. Arizona 31
Navy 19 vs. Wake Forest 29
Hawaii 21 vs. Notre Dame 49
(ND not in any conference but always a BCS team when good enough)
Nevada 35 vs. Maryland 42
Alabama17 vs. Utah 31
E. Carolina 19 vs. Kentucky 25
UConn 38 vs. Buffalo 20

2008

Cincinnati 31 Southern Miss 21
BYU 17 UCLA 16
Perdue 51 Central Michigan 48
Mississippi St 10 UCF 3
California 42 Air Force 36
Fresno St 40 Ga. Tech 28
Georgia 41 Hawaii 10
Rutgers 52 Ball St. 30

2007

BYU 38 vs. Oregon 8
Hawaii 41 vs. Arizona State 24
Houston 36 vs. South Carolina 44
Navy 24 vs. Boston College 25
Miami (FL) 21 vs. Nevada 20
Boise State 43 vs. Oklahoma 42
Cincinnati 27 vs. Western Michigan 24

2006

Southern Miss 31, Arkansas State 19
California 35, BYU 28
Kansas 42, Houston 13
Boston College 27, Boise State 21
Utah 38, Georgia Tech 10
North Carolina State 14, South Florida 0
TCU 27 vs. Iowa State 24

If you are keeping score.. thats 7 for 20.

Not good enough, no matter how you spin it. I am a fan of small schools but they simply do not deserve any sort of BCS bid...especially when you copare schedules throughout the year.

Pretty ridiculous to compare top end mid-majors like Boise St., BYU, TCU, and Utah to Buffalo, Houston, and especially service academies.

I don't think the automatic bid should be there if a mid-major runs the table. But if the teams I listed above do it they've proven they are for real when they go undefeated.

There's a big difference between Hawaii going 13-0 in 2007 and Utah going 13-0 last year, IMO.

[transplant99]

There's a big difference between Hawaii going 13-0 in 2007 and Utah going 13-0 last year, IMO

Agreed...BUT...and IMO this where things get murky but also get clear....just because you are a mid-major doesnt mean you get any more respect than any other, UNLESS you win a really big game during the regular season and that HAS to be against one of the BCS conferences.

Case in point...if Oregon goes on to have a bad year after last night ( I expect it myself), then that really invalidates the Boise win in the big scheme of things...even though they took care of that game.

Its sort of a microchasm of the whole BCS series/way of doing things.

Playoffs baby...playoffs. It may not be oerfect but it is SO much better than the "system" that exists.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by troutman

Suspended by his team.

How many millions of dollars do you think that punch cost Blount?

1000 yards and 17 TDs with a 7.3 YPC average in his junior year. He figured to be a potential 1st or 2nd rounder with a good season.

Now that he's done for the year he'll be lucky to be drafted.

[OilersBaby]

The beginning of college football drives me bananas because although I LOVE sports, college football isnt something I can really relate to since I didnt go to one of the major conference schools in the USA. My husband on the other hand is an obsessed SEC (specifically UK but will cheer for the SEC too as long as it doesnt affect UK) fan. In fact, he drove up from San Jose, California to Seattle this morning so he can catch the Washington LSU game tomorrow. Go LSU I guess!

[moon]

Originally Posted by JayP

How many millions of dollars do you think that punch cost Blount?

1000 yards and 17 TDs with a 7.3 YPC average in his junior year. He figured to be a potential 1st or 2nd rounder with a good season.

Now that he's done for the year he'll be lucky to be drafted.

Todd Mcshay said he talked to scouts who said he went from 2nd rounder to undrafted.

That wasn't only based on the punch but the fact he was slow and out of shape as well, but I imagine without the punch he still goes 3-4th round at least even if out of shape.

Amazing that a guy has to basically do two things 1. Stay in shape and 2. not be an ass and he gets a good shot at a million dollar deal. Instead that is too much for him and he is lucky if he ever makes more than $15/hr.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Agreed...BUT...and IMO this where things get murky but also get clear....just because you are a mid-major doesnt mean you get any more respect than any other, UNLESS you win a really big game during the regular season and that HAS to be against one of the BCS conferences.

Case in point...if Oregon goes on to have a bad year after last night ( I expect it myself), then that really invalidates the Boise win in the big scheme of things...even though they took care of that game.

Its sort of a microchasm of the whole BCS series/way of doing things.

Playoffs baby...playoffs. It may not be oerfect but it is SO much better than the "system" that exists.

Without completely derailing the thread, my issue with a playoff is that every system I've seen proposed just passes the buck, the decision is shifted from who's 1 and 2 to who's 7 and 8, and the decision making process is still flawed. College football simply doesn't allow for a system that lets things be decided on the field, voters and selectors are always going to be a determining factor.

[Gugstanley]

Originally Posted by JayP

Pretty ridiculous to compare top end mid-majors like Boise St., BYU, TCU, and Utah to Buffalo, Houston, and especially service academies.
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I have to agree with Jay on this one. Urban Meyer even says that the only difference between those teams and BCS schools is depth. I'm too tired to find the interview, and he has stated it several times, that the ones on a team like Utah are as good as everywhere else.

Hot rumors, that won't go awa,y is that the Pac 10 is looking to enhance it's tv market before the contract is up in 18 months. Utah and Colorado are the first choices and that would increase the tv market by 20% over what it is currently. Sounds like the Pac 10 teams aren't happy with playing each other every year either.

Not sure if Colorado would bolt from the big 12 as they have turned down a Pac 10 invite before. Big 12 does pay on a tiered system so it isn't fair to some schools. Pac 10 values research institutions and that is where Utah really excels. Pac 10 and the Big 11 have a research alliance and it sounds like those schools bring in far more money from that then sports.

If Colorado won't go then I'm sure TCU would and the Dallas market would be a great market for recruiting.

The only way to solve the great debate of who is better is to play it on the field. A playoff, even if it started with just eight teams, would eventually grow. Look at March Madness it didn't start off with 65 teams but it has grown into it.

It would be nice if they busted down some of the Div 1 schools and made them drop down to Div II. Schools like Idaho, Wyoming, Utah State etc. should drop down and force all the big boys to play each other.

[Montana Moe]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Not completely unusual....as the SEC teams beat the snot out of each other all year. Thats what strong opponents do to each other.

As a side bar...and perhaps an example, Cowherd today made the point of the Alabama/ Va tech game tomorrow...in that the SEC has so many good and deep defenses in the conference, that VT has no chance. Im watching to see if that happens myself.

I'm thinking that VT wins tomorrow. I think Cowherd is lovin' the SEC a bit too much, and I'm an SEC homer. Bammer has a stud in Julio Jones, and a tough defense for sure. Maybe its just the LSU fan in me, but I like VT. Tyrod Taylor FTW!

As for my mighty Bayou Bengals, LSU takes a huge risk tomorrow and ventures out to PAC-10 territory to take on the 2 time national champion Washington Huskies...

I'm here in Seattle, but can't afford tickets, so to the bar I go!!!

[Saint Troy]

Well usually SEC offences tend to start slow, unfortunately the defences do not. Should be ugly, but GO HUSKIES!!!!!

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by valo403

Without completely derailing the thread, my issue with a playoff is that every system I've seen proposed just passes the buck, the decision is shifted from who's 1 and 2 to who's 7 and 8, and the decision making process is still flawed. College football simply doesn't allow for a system that lets things be decided on the field, voters and selectors are always going to be a determining factor.

The FBS seems to do well enough with it and has for years.

[MJK]

For anyone who likes to gamble, Western Michigan is a SOLID pick today. Check them out!

[pria(kin)16]

WAR EAGLE!!!!!!! Go Auburn!!!!

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by Saint Troy

Well usually SEC offences tend to start slow, unfortunately the defences do not. Should be ugly, but GO HUSKIES!!!!!

UMMMM SEC offenses dont start slow, they are non existent. Thats why the SEC defenses look so good, because their offenses can move the ball Tebow is all by himself this year, no percy harvin to bail him out but they went a head and scheduled the Cupcakes so they should have no problem getting to the SEC title game. I hope they get punished for the weak schedule though.



BOOMER SOONER !!!!

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

The Big 12 defenses dont start slow, they are non existent. Thats why the Big 12 offenses look so good.

Fixed.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by pria(kin)16

WAR EAGLE!!!!!!! Go Auburn!!!!

Um your dead to me... War Eagle? pssh Chizik chhahahahahahahahahahah war that.

Dude you back up qb has more college wins than the new coach haha

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

UMMMM SEC offenses dont start slow, they are non existent. Thats why the SEC defenses look so good, because their offenses can move the ball Tebow is all by himself this year, no percy harvin to bail him out but they went a head and scheduled the Cupcakes so they should have no problem getting to the SEC title game. I hope they get punished for the weak schedule though.



BOOMER SOONER !!!!

Really? I'm mean WERE IN THE HELL DID YOU PULL THAT OUT OF YOUR ASS?

Florida scored what 42 pts a game last year? Put up a 50 spot on LSU stomped Georgia... Oh yeah held your squad that broke all kinds of records to how many points?

And with the Harvin deal. Yeah hes gone but I'm not scared. Tebow has plenty of help. with James, Debose (if he plays), Hernadez, Moore, cooper, and 4.2 40 Jeff Demps, David Nelson, and Chris Rainey. Thats a track team. If you squad is good enough this year they will beat you again.

SEC has offense but the D shines. But Florida smoked LSU's great Defense. They smoked UGA, oh and Alabama D was strong. Dont forget that South Carolina had a top ten d last year and florida beat them up too.

Just because the big 3 oopps I mean the big 12 doesn't play defense doesn't mean squat.

I wish Florida got to play teams like Baylor, Iowa State, Mizzou, in conference.

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by PIMking

I wish Florida got to play teams like Baylor, Iowa State, Mizzou, in conference.

have you seen their schedule this year? You have no room to knock anyones schedule ...

Of course your prob just like most Florida fans right now ..... I bet you were even an oilers fan in the 80's huh


and since we are on the topic.... florida shouldnt have even been in the title game last year... They lost to an UNRANKED team at HOME..... FLorida should have been knocked out right there but because the press has a hard on for tebow and espn loves to verbally blow him at every turn the get in...

Yeah OU lost to a team ranked in the TOP 5 at a "neutral site" that happens to be in Texas state Fair ( quite neutral huh?"

[Saint Troy]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

UMMMM SEC offenses dont start slow, they are non existent. Thats why the SEC defenses look so good, because their offenses can move the ball Tebow is all by himself this year, no percy harvin to bail him out but they went a head and scheduled the Cupcakes so they should have no problem getting to the SEC title game. I hope they get punished for the weak schedule though.



BOOMER SOONER !!!!

Now, now, it looks like the goggles are on early

I would say something about the D or lack thereof in the big 12, but I see I've been beaten to it.

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by Saint Troy

Now, now, it looks like the goggles are on early

I would say something about the D or lack thereof in the big 12, but I see I've been beaten to it.

Hey we will see a big 12/ COnfernece Tebow matchup in about 30 minutes... We shall see how it plays out



And remember your vaunted Florida offense scored 24 pts on big 12's weak defense in what was virtually a home game for you guys. I am not saying OU should have beat Florida last year. What I am saying is all the SEC has is FLorida and then nothing......

also note Florida scheduled a team for today where they are favored by 10 ( not not a typo 10) touchdowns. Thats freaking ridiculous. If your guys are God's gift to college football , try playing someone. Ou is playing not so great teams Non conference but they are also playing BYU and Miami....

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

have you seen their schedule this year? You have no room to knock anyones schedule ...

Of course your prob just like most Florida fans right now ..... I bet you were even an oilers fan in the 80's huh


and since we are on the topic.... florida shouldnt have even been in the title game last year... They lost to an UNRANKED team at HOME..... FLorida should have been knocked out right there but because the press has a hard on for tebow and espn loves to verbally blow him at every turn the get in...

Yeah OU lost to a team ranked in the TOP 5 at a "neutral site" that happens to be in Texas state Fair ( quite neutral huh?"

Considering I'm from Florida I guess I'm a fair weather fan.

And Lets see OU play who this texas and TT and OSU? woopie doo.

We have to play LSU, UGA, FSU, and SC. Now we have to play one of the three OLe Miss, LSU again, or Bama in the SECCG. Nothing like playing mizzou.
For your loss at home to an unranked team? Thats the same team that put the hammer down on TT in the cotton bowl. Wasn't tt the team that beat texas last year? oh yeah thats right.

OU got lucky to get into the NCG anyways. Should of been Texas.

Besides to your fact that florida lost to ole miss at home who cares? really? they were ranked at the end of the year and now are ranked 8th. Not to shabby. Please get busy hearding cattle or something you redneck