Problems with crab.....grass.

[Berger_4_]

Originally Posted by redforever

Unless you are a farmer and can provide a legal land description that identifies you live in the country, you can not buy the undiluted stuff. UFA sells it but won't sell it to Calgary residents.

Well that's gay. You could get around it though by looking at a county map, memorizing a land description and who owns that land...just make sure it's far enough away that the person hasn't been in UFA before. And then...voila! Good roundup, not that stuff that's no better than vinegar water!

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Berger_4_

Well that's gay. You could get around it though by looking at a county map, memorizing a land description and who owns that land...just make sure it's far enough away that the person hasn't been in UFA before. And then...voila! Good roundup, not that stuff that's no better than vinegar water!

Another way, that doesn't involve having to put on pants...

Google Earth

then

Convert to Legal Land Description

[Mrs. Rathji]

So good for us my Dad had a Acreage and a legal land description. Rathji put the roundup on today. Will let you know if the dang things die!!!!!

[Ryan Coke]

Okay, since there seem to be some smart plant killers on here....

I have annual bluegrass. A lot. Just sodded last fall, it was growing beautifully, then I start seeing the seed head thingy's, and it is some widespread. Don't know where it came from, but I understand it is hard to get rid of. Any suggestions?

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Bagor

What's your point? Why put words in my mouth? Never said I thought any of the above. Note, I never said either that I thought Roundup was unsafe. Anyways ...No, no, agreed, yes.

Things labelled organic are safer. Hoo boy. That tells me right there you don't know enough about pesticides and plant growth in general to make a good judgement.

I highly suggest you read this article: http://www.renegadegardener.com/content/myth2009.htm

Question me, sure. Question Don Engebretson, well, good luck with that.

It was a simple reply to your assertion that lobbying got it done by commenting that there is no better lobbier out there than Monsanto. Fact of the matter is the ban was put in place based on scientific evidence (I would hope).

I'd love to believe that, but things like pyrethrin are extremely dangerous to aquatic life, and even to small children.

Know what stupid "organic" trend I've seen recently? Most plants make some amount of salicylic acid as an insecticide. So therefore, people have been spraying their plants with dissolved anacin tablets, in some sort of full-###### notion that putting even more of the stuff will really keep the insects away. Yeah, that's real thinking going on there.

I don't believe it is as simple as you make it out to be where a load of enviro-weenies or whatever they're called outlobbied Monsanto et al.

Did you know that golf courses are exempt from the pesticide ban?

Enviro-weenies in general have little actual horticultural experience.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Things labelled organic are safer. Hoo boy. That tells me right there you don't know enough about pesticides and plant growth in general to make a good judgement.

I highly suggest you read this article: http://www.renegadegardener.com/content/myth2009.htm

Question me, sure. Question Don Engebretson, well, good luck with that.

Question a gardener (weenie)'s blog/website? Sure ... why not? And if you want to question my knowledge on plant growth and development ... go right ahead. Be my guest. Sure, you're the self proclaimed expert. Why don't you reference me a few scientific articles, I'll look them up and be more than happy to debate them with you. I'll refer to Taiz and Zeiger for my answers .... OK?

Here let me throw a link back at you by some fellow with a Dr in front of his name. He must be good and 100% correct because he's got an internet opinion. Let's call him Dr Weenie.

http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives...ood-safer.html

Originally Posted by Shazam

I'd love to believe that, but things like pyrethrin are extremely dangerous to aquatic life, and even to small children.

Your point? Or did you misread where I said "No".

Originally Posted by Shazam

Know what stupid "organic" trend I've seen recently? Most plants make some amount of salicylic acid as an insecticide. So therefore, people have been spraying their plants with dissolved anacin tablets, in some sort of full-###### notion that putting even more of the stuff will really keep the insects away. Yeah, that's real thinking going on there.

My cat is black therefore all cats are black.

Originally Posted by Shazam

Did you know that golf courses are exempt from the pesticide ban?

Yes, I'm aware of that. Your point?

My original question was simple .... Why was it banned? Your answer was brillant pure science is that it was enviroweenies. I suggested and would hope that there is more to it than on the grounds of Monsanto being a lobbying superpower and that there might be aquatic concerns but all I'm getting is the pure science enviroweenie argument.

Originally Posted by Shazam

Enviro-weenies in general have little actual horticultural experience.

Well ... that ... ermm so brillant a point that I'll concede it to you.

Now ... have you any serious thoughts/speculation as to my question as to why Roundup was banned in Ontario. If the best reply you can give me is enviroweenies then thanks for your insight. And before you go misquoting me I have never said I had issues with Roundup, just am genuinely curious as to the science behind the decision.

[Buckwheat's barber]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

Okay, since there seem to be some smart plant killers on here....

I have annual bluegrass. A lot. Just sodded last fall, it was growing beautifully, then I start seeing the seed head thingy's, and it is some widespread. Don't know where it came from, but I understand it is hard to get rid of. Any suggestions?

Annual bluegrass is actually quite easy to control in a residential lawn. Begin by reducing irrigation frequency to limit seed germination and growth of the shallow rooted seedlings.

Secondly, cut at no less than 6 cm to promote perennial turf growth. This will reduce annual bluegrass seed germination by shading

If the timing is applicable, preemergent herbicides such as bensulide (Betasan) and chlorthal dimathyl (Dacthal) are very effective

Good luck

[Ryan Coke]

Thanks, that's great. Now I just have to figure out where to buy those herbicides...

[Buckwheat's barber]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

Thanks, that's great. Now I just have to figure out where to buy those herbicides...

Oops, sorry...

You need a pesticide applicator's license to purchase or apply the products. Although I hate to advocate these type of companies, check with Nuti Lawn, Green drop... etc, regarding an application.