Neo-Nazis on the Train

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

What do you mean by pride? Is it like "I cheer for England in the World Cup because my grandparents are from Ipswich" or "I'm proud to be white and from England"?

This pride thing, it's kinda complicated, but I see it like this...

Black or Native Pride = We are equals and we are not going to be second class citizens anymore.

White Pride = We are superior and everyone else get out.

It doesn't mean every white person with "pride" in their heritage thinks they are superior, but someone who identifies themselves as having "White Pride" probably does.

See that is the rub, I think of myself as an equal but at the same time I have pride in where I have come from. I am not trying to personally attack anyone or be offensive, it is just that I don't think I should be ashamed of the fact that I am white - and I am a ginger so my skin is like superwhite. People should be proud of who they are and right or wrong someones race is still in this day and age a significant part of who they are, in my opinion at least.

[MRCboicgy]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

I can see how that would present a problem. If I can ask though? Why'd they start chasing you? The just saw you and your date getting a bit frisky and went all crazy or what?

Yah, we came around the corner and they were in the second house. They yelled such and such, and I fired back with go f yourself and the chase was on. It happened really fast.

Ahh booze.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

Yah, we came around the corner and they were in the second house. They yelled such and such, and I fired back with go f yourself and the chase was on. It happened really fast.

Ahh booze.

If you were sober you think you'd have fought them?

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

Yah, we came around the corner and they were in the second house. They yelled such and such, and I fired back with go f yourself and the chase was on. It happened really fast.

Ahh booze.

I can understand yelling f you. Probably not the best I idea, but I totally get it. And like you said, ahh booze.

[Shazam]

I was never sure if DESS was a troll, autistic, or dead serious.

[justafan]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

See that is the rub, I think of myself as an equal but at the same time I have pride in where I have come from. I am not trying to personally attack anyone or be offensive, it is just that I don't think I should be ashamed of the fact that I am white - and I am a ginger so my skin is like superwhite. People should be proud of who they are and right or wrong someones race is still in this day and age a significant part of who they are, in my opinion at least.

I think you are not trying to be offensive and I understand what you are saying. But. I am also "ginger" and "white" but only in colour everyone sees. Its not my race. I would of been put in the camps if I was in Nazi Germany as my great grandfather was Jewish on my moms side and my dad was born and raised on a reserve in Saskatchewan. I guess I am a good example of a Canadian....mixed, and I like it and tell my children about all their ancestors.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by justafan

I think you are not trying to be offensive and I understand what you are saying. But. I am also "ginger" and "white" but only in colour everyone sees. Its not my race. I would of been put in the camps if I was in Nazi Germany as my great grandfather was Jewish on my moms side and my dad was born and raised on a reserve in Saskatchewan. I guess I am a good example of a Canadian....mixed, and I like it and tell my children about all their ancestors.

And in my opinion it is important to be proud of who you are, in your case it sounds like you would be considered Metis and as of late there has been a huge push to have the Metis population being recognized as being a distinct population. It seems to me as though this is a good thing but if it was a white person who said they were proud of being white it would have completely different connotations, it would likely be perceived as being racist and judgemental, something I don't think needs to be the case.

Being proud of your race and heritage should never be mistaken for hatred of another, but I can see how it can and has been skewed into that.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by jeremywilhelm

MRC, no matter how liberal people are (and im verrrry liberal) seeing PDA from gay people is going to cause some discomfort. I even kind of cringe when i see guys kissing on TV. I dont care if someone is gay, its your choice (or desire). But no matter how much i think i dont have a problem with it, years of having been told it was wrong causes it to make me feel uncomfortable.ll

Yup, it's just something most are not used to seeing.

Just yesterday I was walking down a busy side walk and two guys in front of me started to hold hands. I kinda did a double take before I realized it's not a big deal. I just wasn't used to it.

Obviously that isn't anywhere near what he was talking about, but when it comes to gay rights, we've made a lot of strides.. but it's a long ways away from being totally accepted. And you'll know it's accepted when it isn't an issue.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

See that is the rub, I think of myself as an equal but at the same time I have pride in where I have come from. I am not trying to personally attack anyone or be offensive, it is just that I don't think I should be ashamed of the fact that I am white - and I am a ginger so my skin is like superwhite. People should be proud of who they are and right or wrong someones race is still in this day and age a significant part of who they are, in my opinion at least.

Pride in where you come from and pride in having white skin are two different things.

Seems to me that being proud of your white skin is like being proud of your elbows -- it all came in the same package and you didn't have anything to do with it.

Going to the Irish-Canadian club and eating potatoes, dancing a jig and getting blind drunk is a good thing, if that's your bag. That's "pride in where you come from".

Boasting about the colour (or lack thereof) of your skin is something else.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

And in my opinion it is important to be proud of who you are, in your case it sounds like you would be considered Metis and as of late there has been a huge push to have the Metis population being recognized as being a distinct population. It seems to me as though this is a good thing but if it was a white person who said they were proud of being white it would have completely different connotations, it would likely be perceived as being racist and judgemental, something I don't think needs to be the case.

Being proud of your race and heritage should never be mistaken for hatred of another, but I can see how it can and has been skewed into that.

Maybe it's just me, but I think it's silly just to be proud of the colour of your skin, even when it's not racist in anyway shape or form like what you're saying.

White pride, brown pride, black pride... it's so silly.

MMA fighter Genki Sudo

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

I don't know if it really is all the colour of my skin, but I am proud of my Western European heritage. I really can't say that I have any English pride because I am not English. And I am not Scottish. And I am not Irish. Or French. But I am a mix for the most part of these groups but I am Canadian - and that is what I have the most pride in. But I still don't feel ashamed of being white even though that is almost expected in this day and age in my opinion.

Edit: MMF Why does he hate Canadians - there is no Canada flag that I can see.... "We are all one.... except for Canada. Hockey sucks."

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

But I still don't feel ashamed of being white even though that is almost expected in this day and age in my opinion.

Oh boy.... that is such a teetering Neo-Nazi thing to say.

[MRCboicgy]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

If you were sober you think you'd have fought them?

Doubt it. Not with the total limp wristed flamer guy that day.
The girl was the scariest since she followed the longest and had the worst things to say.

If I were sober there would have been no PDA (hand holding maybe though, can't say for sure) and when the first one came off the porch to continue the beratement, I wouldn't have thrown an fbomb back at him.

The other major skinhead event was a couple years ago at Chinook. I thought no one saw a quick peck on the cheek in the car before a movie, but I was wrong. Before we knew it, three big tatted up neonazis had the car surrounded and were shaking it, trying to get in and yelling stuff, including a "white power"--which was hilarious(not at the time) because I'm damn white and so was he. They even ripped the antenna off. Like where the hell did they come from?

Add in two other run-ins DT, and those are my 4 Alberta white supremicist stories. I laugh about it now because it really isn't important in the grand scheme of things. I do take different routes home though, just in case--since they may know where I live.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

I can only assume that is sarcasm but while I realize that racism exists and I think that it is abhorent to judge someones character based on their skin colour, there seems to be a belief within a certain segment of the population that white people need to be appologetic about being white, something that I don't agree with. Be proud of who you are and where you come from but that doesn't give someone the license to hate anyone regardless of your ethnic background.

[frege64]

MMM, you are about one conversation away from becoming a white supremacist.

MRC- I hope you reported this assault to the police.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

I can only assume that is sarcasm but while I realize that racism exists and I think that it is abhorent to judge someones character based on their skin colour, there seems to be a belief within a certain segment of the population that white people need to be appologetic about being white, something that I don't agree with. Be proud of who you are and where you come from but that doesn't give someone the license to hate anyone regardless of your ethnic background.

You really think that, seriously?

The only time I've ever heard that argument used is from, Neo-Nazi's.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

Add in two other run-ins DT, and those are my 4 Alberta white supremicist stories. I laugh about it now because it really isn't important in the grand scheme of things. I do take different routes home though, just in case--since they may know where I live.

I think that is absolute garbage that you should be forced to change your lifestyle because some guys who likely have trouble dressing themselves can feel like big men. The entire concept of hating someone based on something that doesn't impact them in the least is in my opinion moronic.

I will admit that if I saw two dudes making out it would throw me for a loop at first, but I can't imagine hating them as a result and I know I would never resort to physical violence as a responce to those actions. I don't know if that makes me a bad person, I hope it doesn't.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

You really think that, seriously?

The only time I've ever heard that argument used is from, Neo-Nazi's.

To a certain degree I think that is the case, I think a lot of it comes from overt slavery - which obviously was a horrific event (if that is the right word) and the reverse racism which has occured afterwards and it isn't a (pardon the pun) a black and white issue there are massive grey areas, especially considering the socio-economic status that many African Americans still find themselves in. At what point is it appropriate to let go of the past while still remembering what occured?

Not really an issue that in my opinion can ever be solved.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by fotze

I've met MMM, he is the farthest thing from white, he is whatever his organs are coloured that day, white pride, more like translucent pride.

That's... well completely true on every level. Except for the freckles.

Spotted Translucent Pride! We can have a rally - can't be skinheads though my head would burn to easily. Plus the Scottish heritage has made me to cheap for tattoos.

[jammies]

The real Nazis weren't exactly a collection of IQ-heavy professors and philosophers either; the danger of neo-nazis is that their message doesn't need to be sophisticated to be attractive, as it does better by being simple and emotionally raw. There is always a strong attraction in the idea that someone is to blame for your problems other than yourself, and fascism accesses that attraction directly without the mediation of logic or intelligence.

There is little chance of their views ever getting to be mainstream, but that is because we live in a country where prosperity is generally accessible to all. If that ever ends, it doesn't take much to go from "what can I do" and "who can I blame" to "this is what you do" and "this is who you blame".