Europe bans Canadian seal products

Originally Posted by peter12

What an amazing superiority complex and all from deciding to say no when someone passes the roast beef!

I care about the environment, but I also understand human behaviour and politics far better than someone like yourself. I understand that human consumption is rooted in our evolutionary past and is further accentuated by modernism. You don't. You also don't understand that your vegan choice is a luxury that can only be sustained by modernity. There is no such thing as a vegan hunter-gatherer. You are a product of a spoiled, industrialized capitalist society and nothing more. Animals and ecologies should be protected, but protected by helping the human populations that live alongside them, not punishing them arbitrarily for purely political reasons.

That's a LARGE BURN!!!!

(I love the peanut gallery)

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Umm...you have been insulting people throughout this thread and in this post...may wanna look in the mirror.

Poeple have asked legitimate questions which you either cannot or will not answer. Which one is it?

Tranny, Tranny, Tranny. How could you ask a legitimate question when you are an idiot(whoops I mean a person with primitive intelligence -- I don't want to get another warning -- I always find it difficult to see the difference between the different ways of calling somebody a tool).

The typical fanatic. Can't even recognize his hypocrisy!!!

[MelBridgeman]

Throw them in a cage with a tiger, and let's watch them convince the Tiger that they are equals..

[Tron_fdc]

I wonder if most vegans realize that if everyone on the planet switched their eating habits to what they're preaching, that there wouldn't be enough land on the planet to support the earth's population and their need for cabbage. So in a way, by me going out and killing animals for food I'm doing the random vegan a favour because without my eating habit's he'd likely starve.

And in the case that it came down a showdown featuring me vs the vegan for a plot of land to grow my turnips I'm pretty sure I would win. I have way more guns, and more experience using them.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

insults have been traded on both sides tranny and I have answered most questions but now people are arguing for the sake of arguing which given your track record of jumping on anything I post is exactly why you have your nose stuck in here now too. Id I said the sky was blue you would claim it's green so anything you write on the subject I will gladly ignore.

What?

I asked valid questions...so did many others...you have a problem with that I guess?

I "jump on you".....yeah OK then.

I think your "opinion" and "stance" on this subject is absurd...Im not denying that, but since you put it out there, is it not open for debate?

Its all part of what is clearly becoming YOUR position of being "superior" to everyone else as a matter of fact.

[Swarly]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Even worse is animals being used for medical experiments, not only is the animal put through severe trauma but most of the times the experiment fails as we are different species. If we need to move forward in medicine for cures and I think we do then why not use death row inmates or multiple life sentence criminals? You would get better results and we would not have to pay to feed criminals who have chosen that path and are no longer a use to society.

There are many reasons we dont use death row inmates for experiments. If you ignore the torture aspect that still leaves us with a few problems.

1. there were a total of 37 executions carried out last year in the US. Thats enough for a few preliminary experiments but not enough for an experimental trial.

2. we still need to do psychiatric experiments, which inmates are completely unsuitable as they are a radical subset which would lead to useless results.


Experiments are necessary, and i know labs today treat the animals the best they can which does sometimes mean the animal is destroyed to end its suffering. I have a friend who does research at the UofC on rats. Without these experiments we wouldn't have even the simplest of modern medicines, our life expectancy would be 40 and we would be living in the dark ages. Our brains grew and evolved over time because we eat meat, I suggest we use them and continue curing diesease thru these experiments.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

I wonder if most vegans realize that if everyone on the planet switched their eating habits to what they're preaching, that there wouldn't be enough land on the planet to support the earth's population and their need for cabbage. So in a way, by me going out and killing animals for food I'm doing the random vegan a favour because without my eating habit's he'd likely starve.

And in the case that it came down a showdown featuring me vs the vegan for a plot of land to grow my turnips I'm pretty sure I would win. I have way more guns, and more experience using them.

Yeah i was gonna pose the question to some here as to what they would do in the Alberta winters when there is no way they could grow enough food to sustain themselves (and their families) nevermind the rest of the population. It all comes from farms...so does meat. Odd how that is co-existable actually.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Yup but it's still man who put it that way. Just like the seals are to blame for the lack of cod right?

http://www.panda.org/about_our_earth...talls-recovery

oops try again. Face it, this bill is a step in the right direction, one can hope it continues with more species so that the poor "we can do whatever we want because we are humans and therefore better and can treat the other species of world like crap" will have even more to moan abotut. Carry on though with your weak arguments.

Okay, but let's backtrack to the actual argument you made. Another poster asserted that poaching was not the primary cause, you said it was and provided a link that proved that in fact poaching is not the primary cause.

Does that sound about right?

It's like attempting to argue with a child. You point out that what you said was blatantly false and your response is 'well ya, but see what I actually meant was....' Pathetic.

I don't have any major issue with your point of view, but your means of expressing it are downright childish, which explains the response you're getting from 90% of the people here.

[ok, ok,....I get it]

Originally Posted by Swarly

There are many reasons we dont use death row inmates for experiments. If you ignore the torture aspect that still leaves us with a few problems.

1. there were a total of 37 executions carried out last year in the US. Thats enough for a few preliminary experiments but not enough for an experimental trial.

2. we still need to do psychiatric experiments, which inmates are completely unsuitable as they are a radical subset which would lead to useless results.


Experiments are necessary, and i know labs today treat the animals the best they can which does sometimes mean the animal is destroyed to end its suffering. I have a friend who does research at the UofC on rats. Without these experiments we wouldn't have even the simplest of modern medicines, our life expectancy would be 40 and we would be living in the dark ages. Our brains grew and evolved over time because we eat meat, I suggest we use them and continue curing diesease thru these experiments.

maybe we could outsource our experiments to Chinese prisons

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

insults have been traded on both sides tranny and I have answered most questions but now people are arguing for the sake of arguing which given your track record of jumping on anything I post is exactly why you have your nose stuck in here now too. Id I said the sky was blue you would claim it's green so anything you write on the subject I will gladly ignore.

That's the thing though.
You haven't answered most of the questions.
Specifically the two that I think are most relevant.
Do you swat mosquitos? The answer to this will show if you truly belive that all living things are equal, or if you just draw the line in a different place.
Do you use medications? This will show whether or not your moral highground extends to things that make your life better/easier.

Not to mention the fact that your only response to justify why testing on criminals is better than using rats was to ask me if I would want revenge on someone who killed my family.

We're not arguing for the sake of arguing, we asking questions for the sake of getting you to back up your arrogance.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Along with man destroying it's habitat, yes it is.

http://www.panda.org/what_we_do/enda...anda/problems/

Yup, that sounds like it's diet is really killing it off!

Thank you. You do agree then when I said that

" Poaching is NOT the primary reason the panda is threatened."

Fact is Pandas have a stupid diet that is not compatible with their body. If they weren't so fussy maybe they'd have more energy for things like .... reproducing.

Believe it or not, Pandas are carnivores. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, an animal so stupid, it doesn’t realise it can eat meat, and so the giant panda spends hours of its day chewing on bamboos, extracting a mere 20% of the nutrients from it. Why spend all this time creating special zones for pandas when they should just learn to vary their diet like the rest of us? However, the hard part of Dr Zhang Hemin’s work isn’t feeding the pandas, its getting them to breed. And this is where the panda really shows how pathetic it is. OK, we all know survival ain’t easy – you gotta be tough to make it in this world, and every species on the planet has done so through adaptation to its environment, optimising its reproductive capacity.
Not so the giant panda. According to an article on National Geographic, male pandas “either show a serious lack of interest or are incompatible with the females and become aggressive.” Great job guys. Really playing for the team there. The females are just as bad, and ovulate for an incredibly lame 3 days in a year.
C’mon let’s face it people – these animals don’t want to survive.
Unfortunately and against all mathematical odds, some do make the effort and shag on the Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday, or get artificially inseminated by those pesky scientists at the Wolong Nature Preserve.
But because of their piss poor diet, the offspring are massively malnutritioned at birth and come out looking like this – sorry, pink rags a mere 1/1000th of the size of their parents. Dr Zhang Hemin and his team have to survey the new mothers 24hours a day just to make sure they don’t roll over and squash their kids.
And get this – the parents are so lazy/stupid, the scientists are able to swap their offspring around if a mother rejects her child (yes, they do that too.) According to David Wildt, head of reproductive sciences at the Smithsonian National Zoological Park in Washington, "The mother doesn't even wake up—it's amazing."
Unbelievable. These animals can’t be arsed to mate, and when they do, they either sit on or ignore their offspring! Why are we spending millions of dollars keeping these useless balls of fur alive when they can’t be bothered to do it themselves?

http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/adamwestb...as_should_die/

Time to give these animals their own reserve, let them eat all diet they want that they can't extract energy from efficiently on their way to extinction.
No more captive breeding programs with artificial insemination, panda porn movies (yes I'm serious) and viagra. They're going naturally extinct on the basis of being selected against on the grounds of stupidity and lethargy due to poor diet choice. Enough with the interfering.

[Gozer]

Cue martyrdom...

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

maybe we could outsource our experiments to Chinese prisons

Or we could identify the primitive thinkers by their eating habits or what they wear. Sealskin boots on and munching down on a "Beluga Burger" and we stick some thingies in their head and then fry them afterward. The frying bit could be part of a Holocaust study--It's just win and more win.

[LChoy]

My 2 cents:

As far as I understand it, Canada has the largest seal hunt in the world and with that, it is also the most controlled and observed. Researchers catalogue the seal population every year to determine their numbers, and set the cull limit accordingly. This is all done with a strong scientific backing. The hunt is carried out during a set time interval, and almost all carried out by firearms. There is also a ban on baby seals up to a certain age.

Unfortunately, Canada gets a bad rap since seals are cute and it's emotions that are realistically driving this ban. There is a great deal of misinformation about clubbing (which is really rarely used anymore) and organizations like the sea shepards and Peta are very selective with their message. If they went to look at the other side of the story, like the inuit villages, or those that make their living on the hunt, mroe people would realize that it is not as cruel as the activist make it up to be. Sadly, this whole thing is being driven by sentiment and the Canadian government must really get the proper messaging out to the world

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

I wonder if most vegans realize that if everyone on the planet switched their eating habits to what they're preaching, that there wouldn't be enough land on the planet to support the earth's population and their need for cabbage. So in a way, by me going out and killing animals for food I'm doing the random vegan a favour because without my eating habit's he'd likely starve.

And in the case that it came down a showdown featuring me vs the vegan for a plot of land to grow my turnips I'm pretty sure I would win. I have way more guns, and more experience using them.

Isn't raising livestock a much more wasteful use of land than growing crops?

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by troutman

Isn't raising livestock a much more wasteful use of land than growing crops?

It makes no difference. We are culling the humans when necessary. They aren't any more important than dung beetles.

[Tron_fdc]

Originally Posted by troutman

Isn't raising livestock a much more wasteful use of land than growing crops?

Absolutely.

Either way, if you forced the world to feed itself veggies, there's not enough land to support it.

If you banned commercial livestock and went 100% free range, it's the same deal. Not enough land on the planet to graze the herd.

I'm all over free range products, wild game, and things like grass fed beef. The thing is, I don't tell anyone about it, because the more people that start pushing for it the less there will be for me. Want to eat store bought, commercial beef and produce? Go ahead, it keeps you away from my food sources.

That's a totally different rant though.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

I wonder if most vegans realize that if everyone on the planet switched their eating habits to what they're preaching, that there wouldn't be enough land on the planet to support the earth's population and their need for cabbage. So in a way, by me going out and killing animals for food I'm doing the random vegan a favour because without my eating habit's he'd likely starve.

And in the case that it came down a showdown featuring me vs the vegan for a plot of land to grow my turnips I'm pretty sure I would win. I have way more guns, and more experience using them.

But if you kill a Vegan are you committed enough to use every part of the Vegan?

I just can't see you walking around in a Vegan skin jacket, while using its brains to waterproof the vegan skin boots that your wearing.

I can see you playing peek a boo with its eyeballs though.

[Flacker]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Good for you, but you won't watch that video and don't even try and say you did or will.

I watched it and it is a PETA skewed piece of propaganda. They state that may pigs go insane due to lack of stimulation, hmmm, how do you test the sanity of a pig.

Total BS throughout. Oh they move livestock in trucks through all weather conditions, the nerve!

There are so many humanitarian issues in this world to worry about without wasting time on livestock!

And the statements condoning human testing on inmates shows how truely messed up the morality of the fanatical vegan really is.

[malcolmk14]

You can't spell "slaughter" without "laughter".

I dated a vegan once. She wasn't so bad. She understood it was human nature but said it was just her personal opinion to avoid animal products. Never tried to push the issue.

She did have a leather watch strap, though. About as down-to-earth as you can get for a vegan.