Europe bans Canadian seal products

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Yup, not reasonable to think it's wrong to test on murderers instead of innocent animals. I wonder if some guy gunned down your child if you would feel the same? Whatever, done with this thread, to many humans are superior to everything and therefore I can play god attitude for me.

So is it safe to asssume that you also do not EVER use ANY prescription drugs? Or hell, any tylenol.
Because guess what, they've all been tested on animals.

Seems to me it would be just a little hypocratic to use those things and reap their benefits while still clinging to your stance that testing on animals is wrong, and that playing god in that way is wrong.

[Russic]

Originally Posted by Nufy

I think this thread has been relatively tame for 6 pages given the topic..........

I agree completely. Gotta love the discussions that have no help of getting anything accomplished. Then again you could probably add that tag to 99% of internet arguments.

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Yup, that's exactly what I've been trying to get at.
I've had more than a few discussions with them, and they are usually the most annoying people in the world, becuase they usually have such contradictory reasons for why they are vegans.

The only exception is my brother in law's best friend. He's a vegan, and when you talk to him he can have a reasonable discussion about it. He dosn't make arguements like "why test on animals when we can test on death row inmates instead".

Yep they are like the modern day hippie. All peace and love and the circle of life. Too many doobies methinks. Yet with all the peace and love motif they are inevitably arrogant and condescending. Just another full of crap fruitcake group to occasionally have to deal with. Complete with the fervor of your local JW's whom you also have to deal with occasionally. I love the primitive and other cracks--All part of the act!!!

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Yup, not reasonable to think it's wrong to test on murderers instead of innocent animals. I wonder if some guy gunned down your child if you would feel the same? Whatever, done with this thread, to many humans are superior to everything and therefore I can play god attitude for me.

What if your son gunned down 10 people and someone wanted to do tests on him, or they could do it on rats. Which would you prefer?

See I can play the Ridiculous Hypothetical Game too.

And hey, make sure you lift with your knees when you pick up your ball.
Wouldn't want you having to walk all the way home with a sore back.

[CaptainCrunch]

If we're talking about the speed of the kill, then you have to put mankind at an equivalent or higher level then most of the predators out there.

A Lion doesn't kill you all at once, there's logs of suffering there. Nor does a bear. A croc certainly makes you suffer as he death spins you and then drowns you. A shark will literally play with its prey to ensure that its prey. Nature is cruel, and the deaths are never ever easy. Carnavores certainly kill what they eat, but they take their time killing it, and often start to eat before their prey is dead.

And about the slaughtering of animals by proxy that humans do. Animals do it to. There are many communal animals out there. Lions don't do the hunting, Lionesses do the hunting. Carnavores kill and feed their packs or broods all the time.

There's very little difference between humans and animals, but the main one is that animals don't wear their prey.

[CaptainCrunch]

I think that some of these vegan's that decry human cruelty in the name of food should so spend a night sleeping with a pack of wild dogs or Lions. They'll learn that animals are everybit as single focused and cruel as man when it comes to filling their bellies.

We're just more efficient.

We have freezers

Clubbin' Seals, eating meat, slaughterhouses, a vegetable holocaust, testing on death row inmates, rhino's not being good juror's, panda's being picky eaters... all in one thread... did I miss anything?

[valo403]

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[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Just like you did when you suggested the Newfies were the reason behind N. Atlantic cod depletion.

Anyway ... Back at ya. Poaching is NOT the primary reason the panda is threatened.

Along with man destroying it's habitat, yes it is.

http://www.panda.org/what_we_do/enda...anda/problems/

Yup, that sounds like it's diet is really killing it off!

[Gozer]

These arguments always seem to follow the same script.

Vegan: *Emotional statement*
Cynic: *Derision*
Vegan: *Topical rationale*
Cynic: *Logical probing*
Vegan: *Impassioned plea*
Cynic: *Logical probing*
Vegan: *Irrelevant tangent*
Cynic: *Logical probing*
Vegan: *Martyrdom*

[peter12]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Your totally right, that is your choice and I am ok with it. What I am not ok with is inhumane treatment in slaughterhouses, watching pigs hung up and gutted alive while they swing and suffer among other sufferings that other animals go through. Anyone who thinks different go ahead and youtube a video of a slaughterhouse, there are plenty. Even worse is animals being used for medical experiments, not only is the animal put through severe trauma but most of the times the experiment fails as we are different species. If we need to move forward in medicine for cures and I think we do then why not use death row inmates or multiple life sentence criminals? You would get better results and we would not have to pay to feed criminals who have chosen that path and are no longer a use to society.

You are a disgusting human being.

[transplant99]

I wonder if these "animal protectionist" types agree with spaying and neutering their pets...or any animals for that matter, because that sure as hell aint natural.


I wonder if they have ever killed a wasp/hornet/bee that was only, afterall, trying to do what comes natural to them and take a chunk of skin or sting to protect. Stepped on a spider? Fumigated a house for fleas or any other infestation?

The " i eat plants but thats ok" question was asked WAY back in this thread...but never answered. Odd. Not sure how one reconciles that...but they must somehow.

And the last point...seems like some feel this is somewhat a new situation in the history of man. It aint...in fact its as old as man himself. Hunting animals for food AND their skins is pretty much how things started out. I guess it was Ok back then though....because there were no slaughterhouses.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Along with man destroying it's habitat, yes it is.

http://www.panda.org/what_we_do/enda...anda/problems/

Yup, that sounds like it's diet is really killing it off!

Ummm, you may want to look at your source again. It does state that poaching is an issue, but it makes it pretty clear that the PRIMARY issue is habitat destruction and fragmentation. You'll note that the poster you responded to was asserting that poaching is not the PRIMARY threat to panda's, which it is not.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by peter12

You are a disgusting human being.

I feel the same, right back at ya. You were that kid with the magnifying glass on a sunny day with the ant weren't you? People like you are why the earth is in such bad shape, you don;t care about nothing but what makes your life easier and all else be damned. I write my opinion and the best you can do is insult, coming from someone of your obvious primitive intelligence I am not surprised.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I feel the same, right back at ya. You were that kid with the magnifying glass on a sunny day with the ant weren't you? People like you are why the earth is in such bad shape, you don;t care about nothing but what makes your life easier and all else be damned. I write my opinion and the best you can do is insult, coming from someone of your obvious primitive intelligence I am not surprised.

Umm...you have been insulting people throughout this thread and in this post...may wanna look in the mirror.

Poeple have asked legitimate questions which you either cannot or will not answer. Which one is it?

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I feel the same, right back at ya. You were that kid with the magnifying glass on a sunny day with the ant weren't you? People like you are why the earth is in such bad shape, you don;t care about nothing but what makes your life easier and all else be damned. I write my opinion and the best you can do is insult, coming from someone of your obvious primitive intelligence I am not surprised.

Hey Pot, this is Kettle. Just returning your call.
You said you had something you wanted to tell me?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by valo403

Ummm, you may want to look at your source again. It does state that poaching is an issue, but it makes it pretty clear that the PRIMARY issue is habitat destruction and fragmentation. You'll note that the poster you responded to was asserting that poaching is not the PRIMARY threat to panda's, which it is not.

Yup but it's still man who put it that way. Just like the seals are to blame for the lack of cod right?

http://www.panda.org/about_our_earth...talls-recovery

oops try again. Face it, this bill is a step in the right direction, one can hope it continues with more species so that the poor "we can do whatever we want because we are humans and therefore better and can treat the other species of world like crap" will have even more to moan abotut. Carry on though with your weak arguments.

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I feel the same, right back at ya. You were that kid with the magnifying glass on a sunny day with the ant weren't you? People like you are why the earth is in such bad shape, you don;t care about nothing but what makes your life easier and all else be damned. I write my opinion and the best you can do is insult, coming from someone of your obvious primitive intelligence I am not surprised.

Oooh, I've got to go add "blame worldwide problems on the cynic" to my list!

[peter12]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I feel the same, right back at ya. You were that kid with the magnifying glass on a sunny day with the ant weren't you? People like you are why the earth is in such bad shape, you don;t care about nothing but what makes your life easier and all else be damned. I write my opinion and the best you can do is insult, coming from someone of your obvious primitive intelligence I am not surprised.

What an amazing superiority complex and all from deciding to say no when someone passes the roast beef!

I care about the environment, but I also understand human behaviour and politics far better than someone like yourself. I understand that human consumption is rooted in our evolutionary past and is further accentuated by modernism. You don't. You also don't understand that your vegan choice is a luxury that can only be sustained by modernity. There is no such thing as a vegan hunter-gatherer. You are a product of a spoiled, industrialized capitalist society and nothing more. Animals and ecologies should be protected, but protected by helping the human populations that live alongside them, not punishing them arbitrarily for purely political reasons.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Umm...you have been insulting people throughout this thread and in this post...may wanna look in the mirror.

Poeple have asked legitimate questions which you either cannot or will not answer. Which one is it?

insults have been traded on both sides tranny and I have answered most questions but now people are arguing for the sake of arguing which given your track record of jumping on anything I post is exactly why you have your nose stuck in here now too. Id I said the sky was blue you would claim it's green so anything you write on the subject I will gladly ignore.