lmao! I posted up the original ad in the random thoughts thread a while ago.
"When the gay community is granted their personal freedoms, ours get taken away. How? Shhhh."
That perfectly summarizes the idiotic opinion of most of those fighting against equal marriage. It amazes me how people can rationalize trying to fight against civil rights by saying they are acting out of 'love'.
lmao! I posted up the original ad in the random thoughts thread a while ago.
"When the gay community is granted their personal freedoms, ours get taken away. How? Shhhh."
That perfectly summarizes the idiotic opinion of most of those fighting against equal marriage. It amazes me how people can rationalize trying to fight against civil rights by saying they are acting out of 'love'.
I'm not sure marriage is anything close to a civil right...
I'm not sure marriage is anything close to a civil right...
The point is, that certain rights given to married spouses are not offered to other couples. In the United States, being married effects Social Security benefits, veterans' benefits, health insurance, Medicaid, hospital visitation rights, estate taxes, retirement savings, pensions, family leave, and immigration laws.
Marriage has become a term used to describe committed couples under law, and under law married couples are granted rights not given to other couples. If two people of the same sex fall in love here in Canada, and one is not a Canadian citizen, they can become a citizen when they get married. That is just one example of how this is a matter of civil rights. Its about full equality before the law... and not segregation, Vermont's state congress just ruled that merely providing civil unions and not full marriage was just that.
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More anti gay stuff, man these people are dramatic/apocalyptic
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This 6 minute video, made by a Bible believing church here in Illinois, exposes how our children are being indoctrinated, held captive and forced to accept an unproven and dangerous ideology while Biblical Truth is undermined.
The point is, that certain rights given to married spouses are not offered to other couples. In the United States, being married effects Social Security benefits, veterans' benefits, health insurance, Medicaid, hospital visitation rights, estate taxes, retirement savings, pensions, family leave, and immigration laws.
Marriage has become a term used to describe committed couples under law, and under law married couples are granted rights not given to other couples. If two people of the same sex fall in love here in Canada, and one is not a Canadian citizen, they can become a citizen when they get married. That is just one example of how this is a matter of civil rights. Its about full equality before the law... and not segregation, Vermont's state congress just ruled that merely providing civil unions and not full marriage was just that.
Yeah, I know. But in this case you aren't talking about marriage, more-so about civil unions or a state domestic registry.
Marriage is a private matter between an individual and their church.
So, my marriage is imaginary because my wife and I have no church?
What I am saying is that marriage is a personal and private state of being between two people and their community. All the government should do is recognize the status of a domestic couple and treat them the same as everyone else.
What I am saying is that marriage is a personal and private state of being between two people and their community. All the government should do is recognize the status of a domestic couple and treat them the same as everyone else.
Sorry, it's too late for churches to claim marriage as their own thing as the state has been marrying people for quite some time.
The whole "the state should only be recognizing civil unions and churches should only be allowed to marry people blah blah blah" nonsense is discrimination cloaked in the guise of maintaining tradition.
It's a bit like pouring booze in the punch bowl so everyone can have a good time and then trying to take it out of the punch when people you didn't invite to the party (but are still rightfully attending) are also enjoying a drink.
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Marriage is a private matter between an individual and their church.
I guess I better tell my wife (and the government of Alberta) that our quote-unquote marriage is a sham since we don't belong to a church and were married in a civil ceremony presided over by a judge.
Marriage, at its conception, was a religious institution. The word "marriage" has evolved substantially in the last few centuries and has taken on a much more social and civil dimension. Atheists and non-Christians are entitled to participate in this instituition and we can't take that away. We can't wind back time in order to disentangle marriage and remove the societal and civic dimensions...that genie can't and shouldn't be put back in the bottle.
Marriage is part of western secular society and should remain so. Churches are entitled to decide who they want to marry but governments don't have that same right.
Marriage, at its conception, was a religious institution. The word "marriage" has evolved substantially in the last few centuries and has taken on a much more social and civil dimension. Atheists and non-Christians are entitled to participate in this instituition and we can't take that away. We can't wind back time in order to disentangle marriage and remove the societal and civic dimensions...that genie can't and shouldn't be put back in the bottle.
Marriage is part of western secular society and should remain so. Churches are entitled to decide who they want to marry but governments don't have that same right.
The origin of marriage may lie in a man's need for assurance as to paternity of his children. He might therefore be willing to pay a bride price or provide for a woman in exchange for exclusive sexual access.[13] Legitimacy is the consequence of this transaction rather than its motivation. In Comanche society, married women work harder, lose sexual freedom, and do not seem to obtain any benefit from marriage.[14] But nubile woman are a source of jealousy and strife in the tribe, so they are given little choice other than to get married. "In almost all societies, access to women is institutionalized in some way so as to moderate the intensity of this competition."[15]
The way in which a marriage is conducted has changed over time, as has the institution itself. Although the institution of marriage pre-dates reliable recorded history, many cultures have legends or religious beliefs concerning the origins of marriage.[16]
From the early Christian era (30 to 325 CE), marriage was thought of as primarily a private matter, with no religious or other ceremony being required.
Until 1545, Christian marriages in Europe were by mutual consent, declaration of intention to marry and upon the subsequent physical union of the parties.[25][26] The couple would promise verbally to each other that they would be married to each other; the presence of a priest or witnesses was not required.[27] This promise was known as the "verbum." If freely given and made in the present tense (e.g., "I marry you"), it was unquestionably binding;[25] if made in the future tense ("I will marry you"), it would constitute a betrothal. One of the functions of churches from the Middle Ages was to register marriages, which was not obligatory. There was no state involvement in marriage and personal status, with these issues being adjudicated in ecclesiastical courts.
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Colbert Anti Gay Marriage video
