January 1, 2009 - 4 murders in Calgary

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Rifleman

Isn't that Bagalac? Did they change names?

Bagalac is near Chinook. Not the same area.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by bcb

And for that matter, the murder rate is still low, but that's only until a friend or relative becomes one of the statistics you so tactfully threw in my face.

Actually, no. Personal attachment doesn't make the murder rate higher than it is. I'm not saying that people aren't hurt by it and obviously it would be ideal if there were zero murders. However, when people are talking about how unsafe this city is, it's because of a lack of perspective.

Originally Posted by bcb

"Please find me the Major US center with numbers comparable to Calgary. I'll save you time, it's Austin. You can call it snobbery, I'll call it fact."

And yes, I guess these numbers prove that Calgary is statistically safer than US cities (in terms of homicide) but if gang murders continues to escalate and occur in more public areas and if our law enforcement is unable to detain violent criminals, what will this city look like in 10 years' time?

The fact is, we must act now, before we have the problem Detroit has. We cannot simply say that because we're in Canada, we'll never become like the States.

I really just can't take you seriously if you continue to reference Detroit as a possible destination point to Calgary in 10 years. Is Calgary just going to become some MASSIVE Canadian statistical anomaly when it comes to violent crime? No, sorry, the root causes to Detroit like statistics do not exist in Calgary.

Please, no more hyperbole.

[Suave]

Originally Posted by bcb

[/B]

PS, I was talking about violent crime, not just murders.

According to Statistic Canada in 2007 the crime rate in Canada decreased to its lowest point in 30 years. Violent crime dropped by 3% in 2007, its lowest point since 1989. The murder rate has also been in decline in Canada since the 70's. Back then there were almost 3 murders per 100,000 people, we were down to 1.8 in 2007.

So please show us how through these facts you can conclude that Canada will soon be plagued by the same problems as Detroit.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Suave

According to Statistic Canada in 2007 the crime rate in Canada decreased to its lowest point in 30 years. Violent crime dropped by 3% in 2007, its lowest point since 1989. The murder rate has also been in decline in Canada since the 70's. Back then there were almost 3 murders per 100,000 people, we were down to 1.8 in 2007.

So please show us how through these facts you can conclude that Canada will soon be plagued by the same problems as Detroit.

I think he just got caugt up in thinking that canadaisn are arrogant and smug to think that it's safer here in Canada.

He seems like someone who may have been affected by voilence (him or someone close to him), because as soon as the facts were laid out to him, he said something that seemed pretty emotionally driven rather than making a counterpoint...I think you need to calm down. And for that matter, the murder rate is still low, but that's only until a friend or relative becomes one of the statistics you so tactfully threw in my face. Which obviously isn't true.

Then he switches gears and lectures that we need to stop violence and not let it get out of hand here in Calgary, at which point he isn't argueing with anyone, as we all want voilence to go down. But then gets off track again, saying we'll be the next Detroit, which simply isn't conceivable.

[FlamesKickAss]

I heard on the news in the car on the way home that one of the victims at the triple homicide was an inocent bystander.

Not good if true

edit: found it on cbc website too http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/sto...-slayings.html

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by FlamesKickAss

I heard on the news in the car on the way home that one of the victims at the triple homicide was an inocent bystander.

Not good if true

edit: found it on cbc website too http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/sto...-slayings.html

Very sad...a little more idea of what happened from citybeat...

http://www.gov.calgary.ab.ca/citybea...164433_25235_0

An extensive investigation over the past few days has
determined that Keni SU’A was an innocent bystander who
happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

SU’A entered the restaurant alone shortly after them and was
sitting alone at a separate table. There was no connection
between SU’A and the other three.

At approximately 3:50 p.m. two culprits entered the
restaurant, walked towards the table where MANN, BENDLE and
the female were sitting and fired several shots.

The investigation suggests that SU’A left the restaurant
during the shooting and was approached by a third offender
who police believe was outside. The two suspects from inside
the restaurant then came out and approached SU’A. Shots were
fired and the culprits left the scene.

[Winsor_Pilates]

That is horrible. It was only a matter of time.

[HOOT]

Considering how hardcore they make it out to seem in movies and rap music, I was actually shocked that Compton only had ~50 murders a year.

You gotta think Boys N The Hood had at least 10 people killed in a a few day span.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by FlamesKickAss

I heard on the news in the car on the way home that one of the victims at the triple homicide was an inocent bystander.

Not good if true

edit: found it on cbc website too http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/sto...-slayings.html

That is weird. Why the hell would they intentionally shoot him? Typically we think of a innocent bystander as someone who was accidently hit when they were shooting at someone else but in this case they quite clearly intended to shoot him as well, definately begs the question, why? They didn't shoot the chick who was sitting with the 2 original guys.

[Hack&Lube]

It's kind of surreal how this whole gang war started out with highschool kids , sort of my era of highschool too in the late 90s between the FOBs and the FOB Killers in Calgary and it all sounds sort of familiar with the scene I remember from back then. It's sort of like feeling this has degenerated into Bloods v. Crips except that it's only a couple of years old and you were around at the genesis and knew the same sort of teenage asian kids behind all of this and it seems ridiculous.

I was too much of a dork to be really in those circles but I remember when the Vuthy Kong and Adam Miu murder happened (which precipitated this cycle of violence), I saw the front page of the Herald or Sun and some of the people dressed in black standing on the street where he was killed in a sort of ad hoc memorial picture were people I recognized or knew, some of them back when we were little kids.

Imagine if somebody had nipped it in the bud then...but there's also a lot of gang influx from Vancouver and other parts of Canada.

[HelloHockeyFans]

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/ca...548/story.html

The favour has been returned (speculated) a mere 3 days after the restaurant shooting.

[HelloHockeyFans]

Another sad story on the innocent murder victim caught in the wrong place at the wrong time.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/ca...494/story.html

[FlamesKickAss]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Considering how hardcore they make it out to seem in movies and rap music, I was actually shocked that Compton only had ~50 murders a year.

You gotta think Boys N The Hood had at least 10 people killed in a a few day span.

Isnt the prison in compton? They aren't going to stay around there and do killings, they are going to get out of dodge

and there is only 95,000 people there

[burn_this_city]

I figure they probably killed the guy in the parking lot after he got a look at their getaway car. Sometimes I wish we had more texans roaming wild, I'd love to see some lunatic redneck bust out his handguns and dole out some beach justice.

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by OzSome

Our justice system should change. Just recently they have to let a gang member go home for some stupic reason. Also, the media should stop mentioning "Fresh of the Boat" or "FOB Killers'. For those gang members they tend to enjoy seeing their name on the papers or TV and think they should keep killing other members of the rival gang.

I don't care if those gangs kill each other as long as us innocent citizens of this city doesn't get affected. Too bad the government can't send them both in one island where they can shoot each other until the last man standing.

The "innocent" citizens are the ones purchasing the drugs that keep the gangs in business.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Suave

According to Statistic Canada in 2007 the crime rate in Canada decreased to its lowest point in 30 years. Violent crime dropped by 3% in 2007, its lowest point since 1989. The murder rate has also been in decline in Canada since the 70's. Back then there were almost 3 murders per 100,000 people, we were down to 1.8 in 2007.

So please show us how through these facts you can conclude that Canada will soon be plagued by the same problems as Detroit.

Actually I didn't mean to "Thank You," I wanted to quote you. Anyway, don't believe crime statistics. The more violent crime gets, the less people report it.

[FlamesKickAss]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

The "innocent" citizens are the ones purchasing the drugs that keep the gangs in business.

Not always. That brazilian wasnt purchasing drugs. Its just people at the wrong place at the wrong time

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by peter12

Actually I didn't mean to "Thank You," I wanted to quote you. Anyway, don't believe crime statistics. The more violent crime gets, the less people report it.

Do you have any statistics to back this up?

Kind of a weird thing to say. What do you mean? Are murders going unreported?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by peter12

Actually I didn't mean to "Thank You," I wanted to quote you. Anyway, don't believe crime statistics. The more violent crime gets, the less people report it.

Thats actually a incredibly valid point. One of the biggest complaints that the police have in this city when it comes to gang violence, is that a lot of the really violent stuff isn't getting reported.

I have my doubts that the official statistics are in any way accurate.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Do you have any statistics to back this up?

Kind of a weird thing to say. What do you mean? Are murders going unreported?

At least until the body is found.

A missing persons report is not reported under violent crimes.