Smoking laws coming into effect Jan. 1

[Swarly]

Originally Posted by Dion

From the Mayo Clinic.....

sorry, I forgot everyone only drinks one glass/day

[ResAlien]

It's simple. Just get more cabs out there so people dont dr.....err...sorry, wandered into the wrong revolving argument

[jammies]

I don't get this argument at all. War's over, the non-smokers won. Once the bars went non-smoking, the only time I've been exposed to 2nd hand smoke is coming out of the Flames games, where I.... just stop walking behind the smoker.

I remember the days when you had no hope of escaping smoke - planes, restaurants, bars, at work, inside, outside, every-freakin-where. Nowadays I see so little of it that I even feel sorry for the poor slobs out freezin' their parts off, huddled around their death-sticks and cursing their addiction. Not sorry enough to want to let them back inside, mind you, but a little graciousness in victory doesn't hurt anyone.

[Dion]

nm

[First Lady]

How did this thread turn into a discussion of the health effects of smoking, alcohol, fast food, etc?

Cigarettes and liquor are all currently legal in our country. Why is the government dictating what retailers can or cannot sell? These products are in sealed packages, they do not harm the customers who walk past the displays.

We already have laws to prevent the sale of them to minors. If a retailer violates that law, then fine, pull their license to sell those products.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

It's simple. Just get more cabs out there so people dont dr.....err...sorry, wandered into the wrong revolving argument

Last night i think there were more police out trying to catch drunk drivers than cabs. the bar i was at had 20 people still waiting for a cab outside in the cold @ 3:30 am

I'm told there were the same amount of cabs in 1988 as there is now despite 400,000 more people.

The taxi commission needs an enema.

[You Need a Thneed]

Safeway this afternoon had a sign up that said "Due to governmental regulations, we can no longer sell tobacco products at this location."

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by First Lady

How did this thread turn into a discussion of the health effects of smoking, alcohol, fast food, etc?

Cigarettes and liquor are all currently legal in our country. Why is the government dictating what retailers can or cannot sell? These products are in sealed packages, they do not harm the customers who walk past the displays.

We already have laws to prevent the sale of them to minors. If a retailer violates that law, then fine, pull their license to sell those products.

Because there are people who are so against smoking but couldnt come up with a reason the government should be allowed to dictate what people can legally sell that they decided to just start ripping on smokers.

These threads are awesome.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

Because there are people who are so against smoking but couldnt come up with a reason the government should be allowed to dictate what people can legally sell that they decided to just start ripping on smokers.

These threads are awesome.

Sad but true, most cigarette non-smokers/reformed smokers belong in pre 80's Russia IMO. Glad these guys feel cool jumping on the bandwagon, I quit about 8 years ago and remember how hard it was to do so, but I still have more respect for a person hooked on the damn things than the people who trash them because they haven't found a way.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by stang

Joke stealer.

[BuzzardsWife]

I like smokes and snowmobiles, and I reallllly like booze.

Originally Posted by BuzzardsWife

I like smokes and snowmobiles, and I reallllly like booze.

What about chocolate?

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by First Lady

How did this thread turn into a discussion of the health effects of smoking, alcohol, fast food, etc?

Cigarettes and liquor are all currently legal in our country. Why is the government dictating what retailers can or cannot sell? These products are in sealed packages, they do not harm the customers who walk past the displays.

We already have laws to prevent the sale of them to minors. If a retailer violates that law, then fine, pull their license to sell those products.

Remember how selling alcohol is restricted to liquor stores? Why should feeding a smoking habit be easier than buying alcohol? Restricting the sale of them makes it less likely people will buy them, which is good for overall public health. This isn't complicated.

Personally, it's great that I don't have to stand in line at the drug store behind someone needing cough medicine and a 12 pack.

[GreenLantern]

I am a smoker turned preacher, but even when I smoked I thought it was disgusting, thus why I quit. I never smoked in public places, I would always smoke outside even if I was allowed to smoke inside the building I was in. I basically hated everything about it, great motivation to one day just wake up and say nah I am done after about 8 years.

I honestly look at people who smoke now with a "WDF are you thinking?" I can't believe I was ever stupid enough to fork over cash for those death sticks. Once you quit it is a whole new ball game and you finally see what everyone is talking about.

They should double the price of cigs and see how many people keep smoking.

[transplant99]

Personally, it's great that I don't have to stand in line at the drug store behind someone needing cough medicine and a 12 pack.

As long as you feel the same way about the guy picking up insulin as well as that 20 pack of mini-chocolate bars.

Remember how selling alcohol is restricted to liquor stores?

And bars and restaurants and golf courses and hockey arenas and......

I think that it is hilarious that so-called educated and informed people in this day and age, still try to justify smoking as anything other than a negative thing.

I mean this seriously...WHO is doing that?

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Remember how selling alcohol is restricted to liquor stores?

Why should it be? It used to be strictly government domain, they opened it up to private retailers. Why not open it to all retailer who apply for a the licensing? It's available at corner stores in other provinces.

Why should feeding a smoking habit be easier than buying alcohol?

I take it you then support making it harder for every bad habit.

I think people who drink a dozen pop a day (especially children) are putting their health at risk, should they have there own stores?
I don't care for seeing porn magazines at the grocery store, the pharmacy or the corner store, should they have their own stores?

Restricting the sale of them makes it less likely people will buy them, which is good for overall public health. This isn't complicated.

That is just bull. Anyone who has an addiction will find a source.

This is not about curbing bad habits or improving public health; it's about restricting the business operations of retailers.

Just a year ago they forced all these same retailers to "hide" the product. They went to great costs to accomplish this and now it was all for not because some bureaucratic pinheads who feel they have to control everything in our society.

What happened to personal responsibility?

[HotHotHeat]

This thread is hilarious. Just stop smoking.

And stop comparing smoking to other things that pose health risks. If a dude wants to eat a chocolate bar while walking down the street (or 12), then he is able to do so without affecting the person walking behind him. Similarly, if someone wants to pound a 2 L bottle of coke 3 times a day, go ahead. Also not something that bothers the people around them. Smoking is incredibly annoying. Society has drawn a line....Smoking is in it's own category. Time to start dealing with it.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

This thread is hilarious. Just stop smoking.

And stop comparing smoking to other things that pose health risks. If a dude wants to eat a chocolate bar while walking down the street (or 12), then he is able to do so without affecting the person walking behind him. Similarly, if someone wants to pound a 2 L bottle of coke 3 times a day, go ahead. Also not something that bothers the people around them. Smoking is incredibly annoying. Society has drawn a line....Smoking is in it's own category. Time to start dealing with it.

Is it wrong to find fat people who did it to themselves equally offensive as the smokers?

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

This thread is hilarious. Just stop smoking.

And stop comparing smoking to other things that pose health risks.

That's exactly what you did by pointing out the liquor store example.

If a dude wants to eat a chocolate bar while walking down the street (or 12), then he is able to do so without affecting the person walking behind him. Similarly, if someone wants to pound a 2 L bottle of coke 3 times a day, go ahead. Also not something that bothers the people around them.

Actually, yes other bad habits do have an impact on people around them, but that is an agruement for another day.

Smoking is incredibly annoying. Society has drawn a line....Smoking is in it's own category. Time to start dealing with it.

Where the smokers buy their smokes will have zero impact on where they smoke and annoy you.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by First Lady

Where the smokers buy their smokes will have zero impact on where they smoke and annoy you.

Back when Ontario did this (over a decade ago) I don't recall much grousing about this issue at all.

From what I recall, the pharmacists' association wanted this change (I believe they said they didn't like the mixed message they sent by selling tobacco), but couldn't get the big chain stores (Shoppers Drum Mart, etc) to go along with it. So they petitioned the government and got the rules changed.

I agree that I don't think this will really do much. I would prefer seeing more steps to prevent tobacco from getting to teens.

From when I was young I know everyone knew what store you could go to, or when a certain person was working that would sell to under-ages. What can be done to cut down on that?