Smoking laws coming into effect Jan. 1

[schnee]

Fata?

(As of Jan 1)"Cigarette sales will be banned in all stores with a pharmacy as well as all post-secondary institutions."

Costco will still carry them, I guess they get around it by having them at the front of the store with a separate entrance.

Sobeys, Safeways, etc.. with a pharmacy in the store will stop selling them. (stores without Pharmacies will apparently still carry them)

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I think January may be a tense month for a few people.

Saw one lady blow up at a clerk at shoppers drug mart yesterday for not having any cigs in stock.

[Antithesis]

I wonder if that's what they're doing in the entranceway of the Superstore on 130th. They're boxing it in and there's a huge pile of material for shelving just outside.

[flip]

I've seen a bunch of people flip out already. They all seem to expect every business to carry a full range of smokes up until the last day. Don't know why, it isn't like there aren't a million macs and 7-11s around.

That being said the legislation is ######ed. A business should be able to sell whatever they want.

[ken0042]

The Real Canadian Tobacco Store!

I actually think the law should go the other way- make it so that you have to go into a major store to get them, not some little corner store that is quick and handy. Not to punnish adult smokers, but make it a little tougher for kids to go in and buy them.

[browna]

Good. I remember once back when being in a Shoppers and hearing a woman from across the store hacking a lung away as she's waiting to pick up some sort of perscription. She then gets it, then is in just in front of me in line to pay, and adds on a carton of Export A's onto the tab.

[MJK]

Smoking should be illegal.

[flip]

Originally Posted by browna

Good. I remember once back when being in a Shoppers and hearing a woman from across the store hacking a lung away as she's waiting to pick up some sort of perscription. She then gets it, then is in just in front of me in line to pay, and adds on a carton of Export A's onto the tab.

Should we stop selling chocolate bars in pharmacies too? Because fat people can get their prescriptions then buy candy.

There are a million other comparable examples of why it makes absolutely no sense to remove tobacco from stores with a pharmacy. Sorry but the argument that smoking kills is irrelevant here because numerous other products, which sell a heck of a lot better can be hazardous to ones health. Obesity is probably a bigger problem than smoking in our country and will be for many years to come. So what if some lady wants to get her prescription then buy a carton of smokes? Anyone think it'll actually help?

I just don't see why you, the goverment or anyone else is concerned with what I choose to buy when I go into a store.

Originally Posted by MJK

Smoking should be illegal.

Should alcohol? Motorbikes? Snowmobiles? Fast cars? Fast food? etc etc.

I could go on and on. Furthermore the argument that smoking is the worst of all these vices probably isn't true anymore because fewer people smoke nowadays.

Of course the typical argument is that it is the only product that if used properly kills you. Again so what? Disregarding increased health care costs, which also would impact these other things I mentioned, there is no reason to say people can't smoke.

At least you're only killing yourself.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by flip

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Should alcohol? Motorbikes? Snowmobiles? Fast cars? Fast food? etc etc.

I could go on and on. Furthermore the argument that smoking is the worst of all these vices probably isn't true anymore because fewer people smoke nowadays.

Of course the typical argument is that it is the only product that if used properly kills you. Again so what? Disregarding increased health care costs, which also would impact these other things I mentioned, there is no reason to say people can't smoke.

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You pretty much answered your own question imo, calling it a "typical" argument doesn't make it any less true. Motorbikes, snowmobiles, fast cars, fast food etc don't kill you if used properly. The only one that's close to smoking is fast food, but even fast food isn't as bad, because you can eat fast food once and awhile as long as you generally eat healthy and are active. Smoking is the only one that is literally killing you everytime you inhale.

Plus, you said "disregarding increased health care costs", well I think a lot of people would say "why disregard health care costs?" Health care costs have proven to be HUGE to pay for the 100's of thousands of smokers who need medical attention due to smoking.

[MJK]

Originally Posted by flip

Should we stop selling chocolate bars in pharmacies too? Because fat people can get their prescriptions then buy candy.

There are a million other comparable examples of why it makes absolutely no sense to remove tobacco from stores with a pharmacy. Sorry but the argument that smoking kills is irrelevant here because numerous other products, which sell a heck of a lot better can be hazardous to ones health. Obesity is probably a bigger problem than smoking in our country and will be for many years to come. So what if some lady wants to get her prescription then buy a carton of smokes? Anyone think it'll actually help?

I just don't see why you, the goverment or anyone else is concerned with what I choose to buy when I go into a store.



Should alcohol? Motorbikes? Snowmobiles? Fast cars? Fast food? etc etc.

I could go on and on. Furthermore the argument that smoking is the worst of all these vices probably isn't true anymore because fewer people smoke nowadays.

Of course the typical argument is that it is the only product that if used properly kills you. Again so what? Disregarding increased health care costs, which also would impact these other things I mentioned, there is no reason to say people can't smoke.

At least you're only killing yourself.

I can choose to avoid alcohol, Motorbikes, Snowmobiles, Fast cars, AND Fast food.

I cant avoid second hand smoke.

[Locke]

Fascist Swine. Who came up with these rules? Was it Jiri? I bet it was.

[boobaloo]

Originally Posted by flip

Should we stop selling chocolate bars in pharmacies too? Because fat people can get their prescriptions then buy candy.

There are a million other comparable examples of why it makes absolutely no sense to remove tobacco from stores with a pharmacy. Sorry but the argument that smoking kills is irrelevant here because numerous other products, which sell a heck of a lot better can be hazardous to ones health. Obesity is probably a bigger problem than smoking in our country and will be for many years to come. So what if some lady wants to get her prescription then buy a carton of smokes? Anyone think it'll actually help?

I just don't see why you, the goverment or anyone else is concerned with what I choose to buy when I go into a store.



Should alcohol? Motorbikes? Snowmobiles? Fast cars? Fast food? etc etc.

I could go on and on. Furthermore the argument that smoking is the worst of all these vices probably isn't true anymore because fewer people smoke nowadays.

Of course the typical argument is that it is the only product that if used properly kills you. Again so what? Disregarding increased health care costs, which also would impact these other things I mentioned, there is no reason to say people can't smoke.

At least you're only killing yourself.

You are NOT only killing yourself with cigarettes....second hand smoke is proven to be as deadly as sucking on the cig yourself. As a reformed smoker, I am with the "smoking should be illegal" crowd. Quitting smoking is the best thing I ever did. I'd like to have 5 cents back for every dollar I wasted on that disgusting habit. All I can say is It's About Time

[flip]

Originally Posted by flameswin

You pretty much answered your own question imo. Motorbikes, snowmobiles, fast cars, fast food etc don't kill you if used properly. The only one that's close to smoking is fast food, but even fast food isn't as bad, because you can eat fast food once and awhile as long as you generally eat healthy and are active. Smoking is the only one that is literally killing you everytime you inhale.

Plus, you said "disregarding increased health care costs", well I think a lot of people would say "why disregard health care costs?" Health care costs have proven to be HUGE to pay for the 100's of thousands of smokers who need medical attention due to smoking.

In regard to the health care costs the reason I said disregard is because I can use the same logic to increase motorbike users, fast food eaters etc. Pretty much any activity that increases your chances of increasing our health care costs should be directly taxed to those individuals that increase these costs. So health care costs have proven to be HUGE to pay for the 100s of thousands of people who engage in dangerous activities that need medical attention.

As to the knock against smoking that if used properly, again I ask why is that any of your business if others choose to kill themselves slowly? If health care costs is your only answer then refer to the first part of my post as to why that is unfair to smokers. Everyone should be treated by the same standards, so if you can choose to be an alcoholic and kill yourself, or get fat, or drive too fast or engage in any activity that increases your chances of being a burden on the health care system then that activity by your logic should be illegal.

Furthermore, why do you think that your paternalistic view of everything should be followed? Just because you said so? DOn't we as a free society have the right to choose what activities we partake in? If I want to die a little that is my right, and I may not smoke so much that it is dangerous to my health. Maybe I only smoke when I'm drinking, as many people do, in which case I am likely not to have any burden on the health care system.

Bottom line is people are aware of the dangers of smoking, just like how they are aware of the dangers of snowmobiling in the mountains in high avalance risk areas, yet you condone snowmobiling but not smoking. How well each activity kills you shouldn't matter, only that thousands of activities can kill you, used properly or not, but I don't think you can possibly come up with a coherent explanation as to why smoking should be banned, while other activities remain legal, that doesn't involve you saying "well because I said so" or that it is simply your opinion, which of course you are entitled to. Just don't try and say that your justification for smoking being illegal has any better reasoning than any of the other thousands of dangerous activities.

[Barnes]

Has anyone actually quit smoking since they've added warnings, covered up the displays, and now will be taking them out of pharmacies?

Dumb.

And I will be quitting on Jan 22 so mods, give me a break on and around those days.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by MJK

Smoking should be illegal.

That's the dumbest thing I've heard.

If someone wants to smoke in their own home, let them.

I'm not a smoker, I can't stand cigarettes, but making it illegal because you don't like it is silly.

[browna]

Originally Posted by flip

I just don't see why you, the goverment or anyone else is concerned with what I choose to buy when I go into a store.

So if were up to you, booze, cigs, harcore porn, children's toys should all be carried by the local grocer/supermarket/drugstore?

Point being, there's a place for everything, and there's enough other outlets that can carry cigarettes, and I (and enough people running the country) don't think that a store with a pharmacy should be carrying cigarettes.

As you said yourself, its the only product used in moderation that's going to kill you, and those shouldn't be in stores that are explcitly perscribing medicine.

Call it optics or window dressing or whatever you want, but I think it makes sense, and if its that big a deal to you, feel free to stop shopping at those stores that have pharmacies....you have that choice too.

[flip]

Originally Posted by boobaloo

You are NOT only killing yourself with cigarettes....second hand smoke is proven to be as deadly as sucking on the cig yourself. As a reformed smoker, I am with the "smoking should be illegal" crowd. Quitting smoking is the best thing I ever did. I'd like to have 5 cents back for every dollar I wasted on that disgusting habit. All I can say is It's About Time

Current legislation has made it so that if you don't want to die from second hand smoke, you don't have to. As previously discussed on this board any time you encounter second hand smoke nowadays, it will never be enough to harm you seriously because smoking just isn't allowed in most places.

So NO you are not hurting anyone else physically by smoking.

Same question to you that I posed to Flameswin, other than because you said so, you cannot come up with a single reason why random person A shouldn't be able to smoke. They hurt no one but themselves and are no bigger burden on the health care system than a billion other people who engage in dangerous activities.

[MJK]

Originally Posted by flip

In regard to the health care costs the reason I said disregard is because I can use the same logic to increase motorbike users, fast food eaters etc. Pretty much any activity that increases your chances of increasing our health care costs should be directly taxed to those individuals that increase these costs. So health care costs have proven to be HUGE to pay for the 100s of thousands of people who engage in dangerous activities that need medical attention.

As to the knock against smoking that if used properly, again I ask why is that any of your business if others choose to kill themselves slowly? If health care costs is your only answer then refer to the first part of my post as to why that is unfair to smokers. Everyone should be treated by the same standards, so if you can choose to be an alcoholic and kill yourself, or get fat, or drive too fast or engage in any activity that increases your chances of being a burden on the health care system then that activity by your logic should be illegal.

Furthermore, why do you think that your paternalistic view of everything should be followed? Just because you said so? DOn't we as a free society have the right to choose what activities we partake in? If I want to die a little that is my right, and I may not smoke so much that it is dangerous to my health. Maybe I only smoke when I'm drinking, as many people do, in which case I am likely not to have any burden on the health care system.

Bottom line is people are aware of the dangers of smoking, just like how they are aware of the dangers of snowmobiling in the mountains in high avalance risk areas, yet you condone snowmobiling but not smoking. How well each activity kills you shouldn't matter, only that thousands of activities can kill you, used properly or not, but I don't think you can possibly come up with a coherent explanation as to why smoking should be banned, while other activities remain legal, that doesn't involve you saying "well because I said so" or that it is simply your opinion, which of course you are entitled to. Just don't try and say that your justification for smoking being illegal has any better reasoning than any of the other thousands of dangerous activities.

Why are you ignoring the "second hand smoke" argument? I will say it again:

I can choose to avoid alcohol, Motorbikes, Snowmobiles, Fast cars, AND Fast food.

I cant avoid second hand smoke.

[Boblobla]

I love the self-righteous non-smokers in these threads. It is awesome.

[flip]

Originally Posted by browna

So if were up to you, booze, cigs, harcore porn, children's toys should all be carried by the local grocer/supermarket/drugstore?

Point being, there's a place for everything, and there's enough other outlets that can carry cigarettes, and I (and enough people running the country) don't think that a store with a pharmacy should be carrying cigarettes.

As you said yourself, its the only product used in moderation that's going to kill you, and those shouldn't be in stores that are explcitly perscribing medicine.

Call it optics or window dressing or whatever you want, but I think it makes sense, and if its that big a deal to you, feel free to stop shopping at those stores that have pharmacies....you have that choice too.

DOn't remember saying that. Please don't tell me what I think. So I'm not even going to adress that statement further because you took what I said so out of context. Lets not make stupid assumptions for shock value. Use a little reason in your post, don't just throw dumb stuff like that out there.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

I love the self-righteous non-smokers in these threads. It is awesome.

I'm a non-smoker. I think it's disgusting, and shouldn't be allowed in public places (much like it is now). But yeah, totally agreed. To suggest it should be illegal flat out is the height of arrogance.