Coalition Deal To Topple Minority Tory Govt- [Update Parliament Prorogued until Jan]

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Mr. Harper, who was leader of the Opposition at that time, held lengthy discussions with Mr. Layton and Mr. Duceppe aimed at supplanting Paul Martin's Liberal government without an election in the fall of 2004.
Those talks did not invoke a coalition, but rather revolved around replacing the elected Liberal minority with a Conservative government led by Mr. Harper and supported by the New Democrats and Bloc on an issue-by-issue basis.

They are all politicians. I'm loving how everyone is outraged by this 'coup'.

While I do agree, I was posting that to illustrate that the comparison to Harper's move in 2004 is false. He never suggested a coalition but rather a true pragamatic approach to dealing with things on an issue by issue basis.

[Incinerator]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

See you in the re-education camp. Talk like that can get you in big trouble Comrade.

As someone who's had family members victimized by the Cultural Revolution, I do not find that the least bit funny. I do however see that hint of Mao in the moustache though.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Jade

Riiiiiight. The NDP and bloc planned a coalition between themselves all on their own without the liberals involved. Why then, are the liberals the ones who would technically be the government, while the Bloc isn't even offically a part of this. There's no proof either way, but logically, there was no reason to even start this without the liberals onboard.

Logically, the Libs would be in power because the NDP and Bloc are too small to do anything on their own. Logically, the bloc and NDP would expect Liberal support because they'd be getting into power. There was no need and no evidence that the Liberals were involved in those early plans. To suggest they were is nothing more then a weak conspiracy theory. There is plenty of "logical" explantions as to why the Bloc and NDP would have those talks without the Libs.

[Iginla12]

Whichever way it goes, the voter gets the shaft.
That's politics for you...

Look on the bright side...At least it's entertaining!

[Jade]

Originally Posted by ikaris

I posted this before when you said this, and I'll post it again (this is for Jade too):

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/11/28/flaherty.html

You know this is just an economic update, not the actual budget right? Besides, at this point the other parties are all to busy patting themselves on the back for circumventing the electoral process to talk to the conservatives. Why change the plan when no one is showing interest in getting their two cents in?

[Jade]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Logically, the Libs would be in power because the NDP and Bloc are too small to do anything on their own. Logically, the bloc and NDP would expect Liberal support because they'd be getting into power. There was no need and no evidence that the Liberals were involved in those early plans. To suggest they were is nothing more then a weak conspiracy theory. There is plenty of "logical" explantions as to why the Bloc and NDP would have those talks without the Libs.

If they are too small to do anything on their own, why did they have a plan in place? Wouldn't need it.

[Ford Prefect]

Originally Posted by Jagger

I haven't read the entire thread but has anybody else suggested you change your signature to PANIC? That's where I'm at....

Lol ... duly noted and updated.

[ikaris]

Originally Posted by Jade

You know this is just an economic update, not the actual budget right? Besides, at this point the other parties are all to busy patting themselves on the back for circumventing the electoral process to talk to the conservatives. Why change the plan when no one is showing interest in getting their two cents in?

And you do understand the whole reason for this coalition is the refusal to discuss this economic update?

There is no circumvention of the electoral process. This is a parliamentary democracy.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Jade

If they are too small to do anything on their own, why did they have a plan in place? Wouldn't need it.

Come on now, this isn't that hard.
They could make the plan with the hope they'd be able to get Liberal support, for obvious reasons like they'd offer them the Government, PM and most of the key positions.
The key difference is them making a plan that would lure the Libs in, not making a plan with the Libs.

[ikaris]

It seems in general, that the Conservatives have given in to all the questions brought up by the opposition:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/...on-period.html

From the article:

The Tories have since backtracked on the most divisive issues, dropping plans to cut the public funding political parties receive on a per-vote basis and moving the budget up to late January, with suggestions it will include an economic stimulus package.

There is no point to the coalition anymore, no?

[MissTeeks]

Here's an article with some quotes from Stelmach that you guys were waiting for.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/stelmac...925/story.html

[ok, ok,....I get it]

Originally Posted by ikaris

It seems in general, that the Conservatives have given in to all the questions brought up by the opposition:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/...on-period.html

From the article:

The Tories have since backtracked on the most divisive issues, dropping plans to cut the public funding political parties receive on a per-vote basis and moving the budget up to late January, with suggestions it will include an economic stimulus package.

There is no point to the coalition anymore, no?

yeah right...

[Jade]

Originally Posted by ikaris

And you do understand the whole reason for this coalition is the refusal to discuss this economic update?

There is no circumvention of the electoral process. This is a parliamentary democracy.

It was already in the works before that ever had the chance to happen. Canada voted for a conservative minority. Before it had a chance to do anything, the liberals and NDP decided to band together and overthrow that. That isn't listening to what the voters have to say.

[Ford Prefect]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

Here's an article with some quotes from Stelmach that you guys were waiting for.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/stelmac...925/story.html

Stelmach said he hoped cooler heads would prevail in the days to come, but did not rule out working with the coalition government.

Not the sort of response I was looking for really. I was hoping he offer them the business end of a pitchfork, not an olive branch.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by ikaris

I posted this before when you said this, and I'll post it again (this is for Jade too):

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/11/28/flaherty.html

And the one provision they most opposed to....taxpayers funding their party being taken away...was removed.

The rest of it they don't like...i get it...but what is the compromise on their side? To pull a coup. Good stuff.

[Jade]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Come on now, this isn't that hard.
They could make the plan with the hope they'd be able to get Liberal support, for obvious reasons like they'd offer them the Government, PM and most of the key positions.
The key difference is them making a plan that would lure the Libs in, not making a plan with the Libs.

Eh, I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. No proof either way, but logic (and liberal history) lead me to believe the worst in them. Maybe it isn't fair of me, but until they prove themselves to be after the best interest of canadians instead of power for themselves, I see no reason to believe them.

[CaptainCrunch]

I've always thought that as an economic Stimulus that the Canadian Government should buy the Ford assembly plants in Ontario with a view towards building a Canadian made truck for local sales and export. the name would need to combine the elements of this unique Canadian product with the probable partnership of the Ford Motor Company who could provide the expertise and knowledge required to build and market this vehicle.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the 2009 CanaFord.

[ikaris]

Originally Posted by transplant99

And the one provision they most opposed to....taxpayers funding their party being taken away...was removed.

Well they didn't officially oppose this but we both know that was why this all happened.

Originally Posted by transplant99

The rest of it they don't like...i get it...but what is the compromise on their side? To pull a coup. Good stuff.

I think at this state, the Conservatives have backpedaled enough to not justify this coalition anymore. The Liberals could walk away from this looking very good... Delay any action until January now that the Conservatives have talked about a potential stimulus package.

[Jason14h]

I for one welcome out new Bloc Overlords

[mykalberta]

Damn, I dont watch the news over the weekend and instead concentrate on the Flames roasting the nucks and some NFL football and our country spirals downward.

I dont have alot to say until it actually happens. Personally I say let the coalition have their chance. If it works, great for them, if it doesnt it will blow up in there face and the Cons will get their majority.