Coalition Deal To Topple Minority Tory Govt- [Update Parliament Prorogued until Jan]

[flamey_mcflame]

Hmmm, judging by the Canadian electorate, if there is another election, the Liberal's support should definitely increase. If Harper can bring down his own gov't for absolutely no reason whatsoever(except for his own nefarious logic) and increase his seat totals, then I think this would be an excellent strategy for any other party. Funny thing, we shouldn't have even had that last election. Harper started this game of political jeopardy, so noone should be surprised or disappointed that other parties are engaging in this power play.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by flamey_mcflame

Hmmm, judging by the Canadian electorate, if there is another election, the Liberal's support should definitely increase. If Harper can bring down his own gov't for absolutely no reason whatsoever(except for his own nefarious logic) and increase his seat totals, then I think this would be an excellent strategy for any other party. Funny thing, we shouldn't have even had that last election. Harper started this game of political jeopardy, so noone should be surprised or disappointed that other parties are engaging in this power play.

This post makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by flamey_mcflame

Hmmm, judging by the Canadian electorate, if there is another election, the Liberal's support should definitely increase. If Harper can bring down his own gov't for absolutely no reason whatsoever(except for his own nefarious logic) and increase his seat totals, then I think this would be an excellent strategy for any other party. Funny thing, we shouldn't have even had that last election. Harper started this game of political jeopardy, so noone should be surprised or disappointed that other parties are engaging in this power play.

Hahahahahahhaha.

So all of those Montreal and Bay Street Liberals are going to be thrilled, aren't they?

[Rathji]

The fact that this can happen, or even the fact that they think they can make it happen, makes me feel sick.

However, without Bloc support it won't happen, and even if it does it will probably bring Conservative Majority sooner than later if it involves Dion in any notable role.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Rathji

The fact that this can happen, or even the fact that they think they can make it happen, makes me feel sick.

However, without Bloc support it won't happen, and even if it does it will probably bring Conservative Majority sooner than later if it involves Dion in any notable role.

I agree, but at what cost? That's the scary part. This BS is going to set Canada back, and will only lead us directly into a recession and defect.

If anything thought we were heading there already, buckle up because the ride's about to get a sh*tload faster.

[GirlySports]

I'll meet y'all at the unemployment office.

[browna]

Originally Posted by flamey_mcflame

Hmmm, judging by the Canadian electorate, if there is another election, the Liberal's support should definitely increase.

By voting for a guy on his way out? A guy the majority in the Liberal party want out, and don't like the way he's handled his leaving? A guy willing to strike a deal with the party's who's vision of Canada does not include Quebec? A guy willing to deal with the socialist movement...not to bad in iteself, rather with that particular leader who's only proven as a leader that he's only usefil to anyone else because he's got some sway votes...kind of like the kid who has some toys no one else on the block does, so if you want to play with him, you have to pretend to be his friend...and he misinterprets that piggybacking as genuinely feeling important and an equal.

And on top of that, then you're voting for a threeheaded leadership...certainly not a strong leadership structure for a country even in the best of times, let alone when the country needs strong direction one way or another....nevermind with those 3 particular people being at the top.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I agree, but at what cost? That's the scary part. This BS is going to set Canada back, and will only lead us directly into a recession and defect.

If anything thought we were heading there already, buckle up because the ride's about to get a sh*tload faster.

We should settle this like hockey. Every year voters get to select one individual to go to Ottawa and pick a fight with a single politician.

This year, I nominate Todd Bertuzzi to fight Jack Layton.

[FanIn80]

What frustrates me the most is how powerless Canadians are to stop this. It would almost be better if this coup was being staged with guns and tanks. At least then, we'd be able to fight them. There isn't a thing we can do about this, though, because of "democracy.'

[Frequitude]

Originally Posted by First Lady

I have not read the whole "other" thread; but has anyone brought up the leaked conference call?

It is on youtube now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SVdcr8Vi_0

Transcript is here:

http://blog.macleans.ca/2008/11/30/n...stay-in-power/

I hadn't seen that. Great info. Now I wonder what the heck this means (from the transcript):

Jack Layton:
...BQ stability issues, worry about BQ potentially being off-side, we’re taking that very much into account. We have numerous strategies designed to deal with it, I actually believe they’re the least of our problems, but in case I’m wrong, let’s just say we have strategies, this whole thing would not have happened if the moves hadn’t have been made with the Bloc to lock them in early, because you couldn’t put three people together in one, in three hours. The first part was done a long time ago, I won’t go into details...

[peter12]

we’ve been in close consultations with the leadership of the labour movement around some of their key ideas and they’ve been providing terrific support, including at a high-level early morning meeting this morning, so much of what you would have want to see, it’s probably already there,

http://www.stephentaylor.ca/


Jack Layton is in the pockets of Big Labour.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

I hadn't seen that. Great info. Now I wonder what the heck this means (from the transcript):

The interesting part of this, is that conference call was taped immediately following the last election. Layton and the Separatists have been planning this all along.

[evman150]

Originally Posted by Fire

I would be royally pissed if this would occur. They said removing public funding of political parties was undemocratic then this would be 10x that.

If the Governor General allows this then I hope the Conservatives do all they can to prevent the NDP and Liberals to govern. Burn down Parliament Hill for all I care.

I fail to see how this is undemocratic.

"If the Governor General allows this"...LOL do you know how the Canadian (British) parliamentary system works? It would not be the Governor General allowing this to happen, it would be her asking for it to happen!

[peter12]

Originally Posted by evman150

I fail to see how this is undemocratic.

"If the Governor General allows this"...LOL do you know how the Canadian (British) parliamentary system works? It would not be the Governor General allowing this to happen, it would be her asking for it to happen!

She still has to decide whether or not it is an effective governing option. In these cases of democratic and constitutional crisis, the GG takes on much more than a ceremonial/symbolic role. She is the one thing that stops from sliding into democratic anarchy. Her discretion is very important.

[redforever]

This scenario is exactly why all Canadians should make it their responsibility to find out about the political parties that want to run our country and then vote accordingly.

Apathy gets you just what we have right now, a circus in Ottawa.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by evman150

I fail to see how this is undemocratic.

"If the Governor General allows this"...LOL do you know how the Canadian (British) parliamentary system works? It would not be the Governor General allowing this to happen, it would be her asking for it to happen!

Nice try, but what he meant was "if the Governor General decides this should happen." It is completely within her power to NOT accept this coup and instead send everyone back to the polls.

My personal hope is that she does just that. Tells Layton and the Separatists to gtfo of her office and then calls another election.

The CPC will get their majority mandate and then we can all finally get on with our lives, once and for all.

[Frequitude]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

The interesting part of this, is that conference call was taped immediately following the last election. Layton and the Separatists have been planning this all along.

Really? Where'd you get that from? The blog was posted today...

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

I hadn't seen that. Great info. Now I wonder what the heck this means (from the transcript):

There are two things I don't like about this call.

#1 (...and most important).. How in the world did a Conservative gain access to the call to record it.

#2 it sounds like Jack has been in talks prior to there ever being an issue. So either they were completely staging this whole mess, just waiting for an opening. Or they realized they would have to work with other parties to get things passed. Sadly, I think it was the former.

[CaptainCrunch]

Hmm I wonder if I can refuse to recognize this junta and not pay my taxes.

This is bad news for the have provinces in Canada as Alberta and Saskatchewan will see their industries attacked so that this cabal can keep the Bloc on side.

If this goes through Quebec interests take control in the house.

It will be interesting to see what happens to the dollar tomorrow.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by First Lady

There are two things I don't like about this call.

#1 (...and most important).. How in the world did a Conservative gain access to the call to record it.

#2 it sounds like Jack has been in talks prior to there ever being an issue. So either they were completely staging this whole mess, just waiting for an opening. Or they realized they would have to work with other parties to get things passed. Sadly, I think it was the former.

I can guarantee you it wasn't a Conservative. Probably a loyal staffer or even media person. I have my own informed guess as to who it might be.

Anyway, taped and leaked.