School drops support for charity that seeks cure for "racist" disease

[Tower]

Originally Posted by fotze

Cystic Fibrosis only affects white people. Cool, never knew that. what if they are half white?

Then nobody would love them......

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Eastern Girl

I participated in Shineorama in my first and second years at Carleton. It was a fun and worthy event, it's really unfortunate this crud is smearing it. I wonder if people will read this article and come to the conclusion that they don't want to donate when the students come around.

And hopefully, people don't try and paint all Carleton students as "PC nutjobs" or stupid as a result of this stuff.

Truthfully, if I was in the area, I'd probably tell Carleton to suck it, and then donate directly. Specifically because of this.

[corporatejay]

I feel the same way on this. I do not under stand why breast cancer is so much more popular then other cancers. Then everywhere you look some company is putting out a pink something or other to support it.

Breast Cancer, if caught early enough, has an incredibly high rate of survival, probably much more than any other type. The problem is education and access. My wife walked 2 years ago and I guess they raised somewhere around 5million bucks in Alberta which was then used to purchase a portable "detection" machine (I know, very scientific) so that they can bring it to rural areas and test women.

Breast cancer is the most common cancer among women in the United States, other than skin cancer. It is the second leading cause of cancer death in women, after lung cancer.
About 182,460 women in the United States will be found to have invasive breast cancer in 2008. About 40,480 women will die from the disease this year. Right now there are about two and a half million breast cancer survivors in the United States.
The chance of a woman having invasive breast cancer some time during her life is about 1 in 8. The chance of dying from breast cancer is about 1 in 35. Breast cancer death rates are going down. This is probably the result of finding the cancer earlier and improved treatment.

And I don't want to speak out of turn here, but I'm guessing a large portion of those with lung cancer are "self induced".

re: Prostate Cancer, the average age of diagnosis is 70, while I believe for breast cancer it is around 55. My guess is there is less sympathy for a disease that affects men at such an old age.

[STeeLy]

I like the idea of the CUSA president that instead of doing fundraisers just for CF, they should rotate charities, I like that idea.

Like another poster said, one idjit just had to come out and say the wrong thing.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Charities, especially those of a medical nature, tend to evoke strong emotional attachments. All ailments/conditions/diseases are worthy of increased awareness and financial support. One group being more successful than another in fundraising is just the way it goes. Shinearama had a good run at Carleton, so now they just have to look elsewhere.

The Carleton situation is, of course, an example of student politics where even the most trivial is made monumental. Just the nature of the beast.

[loob job]

I know a girl with CF and it kills me a bit every time i see what she goes through. To hear what is in the news about this story got me mad at first but now it is just disappointing to hear them say it's based on race.............so disapointing. And then you start to think once this story is over and the spike in CF donations is done, what happens next year at this time when not much money is donated to CF since Shinearama at Carleton is done, and the year after and after. Sad.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Apparently the student council is going to "Re-think" this complete mess.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/stor...shinerama.html

This Brittany Smyth sounds pretty confused:

"By no means do we want anyone to think that our council or students at Carleton don't support research for cystic fibrosis," Smyth said. "It's definitely a very worthwhile charity and we want to clear up that confusion."

Well by pulling your support for the charity then in fact you ARE saying that students don't support research for Cystic Fibrosis. And if it such a worthwhile charity then why are you not supporting it?

The president of Carleton does not seem very impressed with this at all.

On Wednesday, Roseann O’Reilly Runte, president of Carleton University, issued an open letter to the university community to share her "personal regret" over the student motion, which she said contained "language which was not appropriate and which has raised considerable concern."

[Reggie Dunlop]

Student association president Brittany Smyth said the motion came about because the association has been contemplating rotating the beneficiary of Shinearama to different charities each year instead of giving the money to a single charity.
"It's about people wanting to do something different," she said.

I keep looking back at this quote and think the way it comes out is that they got bored of old unpopular Cystic Fibrosis when there's new, exciting causes to support.

[transplant99]

And then you start to think once this story is over and the spike in CF donations is done, what happens next year at this time when not much money is donated to CF since Shinearama at Carleton is done, and the year after and after. Sad.

I have a feeling many dont understand what Shinerama is here.

It nothing but students getting together and going out into the streets and shining shoes for donations. That is done country wide on the same day by just about every seconday education existing. Therefore its really not a huge deal if Carleton was to opt out......though every little bit helps. Its more that gals complete misunderstanding about what this disease is all about and whom it effects.

The treatment little children have to endure EVERY MORNING just to try and live a semblance of a normal life is heart-wrenching. Who give a flying fata that it may only inflict itself on caucasians...that has NO bearing on the charity itself. Stupid and inept for them to even vote on it that way.

Here is a video on what a kid goes through...every single day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUsuGKzdDg8

[loob job]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I have a feeling many dont understand what Shinerama is here.

It nothing but students getting together and going out into the streets and shining shoes for donations. That is done country wide on the same day by just about every seconday education existing. Therefore its really not a huge deal if Carleton was to opt out......though every little bit helps. Its more that gals complete misunderstanding about what this disease is all about and whom it effects.

The treatment little children have to endure EVERY MORNING just to try and live a semblance of a normal life is heart-wrenching. Who give a flying fata that it may only inflict itself on caucasians...that has NO bearing on the charity itself. Stupid and inept for them to even vote on it that way.

Here is a video on what a kid goes through...every single day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUsuGKzdDg8

I understand what it is and what people go through, like i said before. But if Carleton stops, then every year, the money that they could have made will not be there, and that little bit every year will add up over time.

[Jetsfan]

[quote=corporatejay;1532068]Breast Cancer, if caught early enough, has an incredibly high rate of survival, probably much more than any other type. The problem is education and access. My wife walked 2 years ago and I guess they raised somewhere around 5million bucks in Alberta which was then used to purchase a portable "detection" machine (I know, very scientific) so that they can bring it to rural areas and test women.



And I don't want to speak out of turn here, but I'm guessing a large portion of those with lung cancer are "self induced".

re: Prostate Cancer, the average age of diagnosis is 70, while I believe for breast cancer it is around 55. My guess is there is less sympathy for a disease that affects men at such an old age.

Unfortunately, this seems to be the case. In today's society the message being sent is that men are disposable.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by loob job

I understand what it is and what people go through, like i said before. But if Carleton stops, then every year, the money that they could have made will not be there, and that little bit every year will add up over time.

That's a constant battle for all charities though. Maybe the Shinearama concept is starting to lose it's freshness amongst a certain population segment? Like it or not, charities have to be constantly re-inventing their fundraising strategies because of short public attention spans.

Silly girl, though, thought the event could be uploaded to another charity.

Just seems like a whole series of gaffes on a wide array of fronts.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by HelloHockeyFans

I had no idea it only affects white people.

it doesn't , this is a pathetically embarassing decision

[Eastern Girl]

[quote=Jetsfan;1532104]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Breast Cancer, if caught early enough, has an incredibly high rate of survival, probably much more than any other type. The problem is education and access. My wife walked 2 years ago and I guess they raised somewhere around 5million bucks in Alberta which was then used to purchase a portable "detection" machine (I know, very scientific) so that they can bring it to rural areas and test women.

And I don't want to speak out of turn here, but I'm guessing a large portion of those with lung cancer are "self induced".

re: Prostate Cancer, the average age of diagnosis is 70, while I believe for breast cancer it is around 55. My guess is there is less sympathy for a disease that affects men at such an old age.

Unfortunately, this seems to be the case. In today's society the message being sent is that men are disposable.

I don't think that's the case at all. I think the age is what makes people have 'less sympathy,' not being male, the thinking perhaps being that if you are old and considered close to death anyways, let's focus attention on the diseases that show up earlier in life and strike people down at a younger age. There are lots of charities that raise awareness for prostate and testicular cancer. I've been seeing ads, pushing men to get tested for those cancers, even if they think they are invasive or uncomfortable. I don't think anyone is saying men are disposable and women should be the primary focus in terms of disease prevention, fundraising and awareness.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

On the face of this article it sounds bad, really bad. But Charles Adler had the president of the students union on yesterday to explain this BS. She mad a lot of sense. SHe explained that the original motion before the student union was to debate if they should do fundraising for different charities for each year instead of just CF. Which is fine. The reason that this looks so bad is because it was ONE student that spoke out in the debate about supporting CF because of the reasons listed above. (Which are complete BS). Those where the remarks that basically stuck with the story. She explained that the motion had nothing to do with the above allegations and it was only the remarks of 1 member. The union strictly voted on the motion if they should switch up fundraising each year. Sounds like it was just one idiot school union member that made these remarks.

It isn't often that JoM is the voice of reason and sanity in any debate but he obviously is here. As it turns out the MASSIVE protest today forced the SU to go back on their previous decision to rotate which charity they support. The idiot (Donnie Northrup) that spoke on it being a white-only disease probably didn't think he was going to force Carleton to NEVER EVER EVER EVER again debate rotating where the funds go. This has given Carleton a black eye that it doesn't deserve.

BTW - I give monthly to Amnesty International and Foster Parents Plan, but not to breast cancer. This does not mean I do not want there to be a cure for breast cancer.

Also - from the Ottawa Citizen
- Mr. Northrup said "not a lot of thought" went into the wording..."I'm among term papers and assignments - it was a slip up. I should have researched it further," said the fourth year integrated science student.
- Mr. Northrup said the backlash has been "fairly unkind." He has received hate email and random Facebook messages."I am currently not able to live happily," he said.

I kinda feel bad for the guy. He f'd up and now the whole country is out to get him....

[CaptainCrunch]

Can't stand the heat . . . blah blah blah

[looooob]

well the people who started this should feel ridiculous...in addition to the affecting whites part, the part about CF "mostly affecting men" is just stupid on so many levels given that it affects both genders equally, devastates children primarily and even if it did affect males more, would still be a bad disease

for university students to apply such little analysis into a common and straightforward (in terms of inheritance etc) condition is weak

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

I kinda feel bad for the guy. He f'd up and now the whole country is out to get him....

I don't. He's learning one hell of a valuable life lesson right now: when you are speaking in the public sphere, saying colossally ignorant things will come back to haunt you. The worse your words, the worse the reaction. Welcome to life, son.

In a month, this incident, along with this idiot, will be forgotten. He earned the reaction he's getting today, however.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

The idiot (Donnie Northrup) that spoke on it being a white-only disease probably didn't think he was going to force Carleton to NEVER EVER EVER EVER again debate rotating where the funds go. This has given Carleton a black eye that it doesn't deserve.

I think the issue is (from the Ottawa Citizen report) that the motion with the objectionable wording was passed by council. Now there's back-tracking, with the result being the motion will be re-worded.

As such, the wording was, by association, endorsed by many in the passing of the motion.

Classic example of group-think without thinking.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by STeeLy

I like the idea of the CUSA president that instead of doing fundraisers just for CF, they should rotate charities, I like that idea.

Like another poster said, one idjit just had to come out and say the wrong thing.

Then why didn't they vote on that motion? They still supported the solitary nutjub, thus implicating themselves as well. I saw the president on Duffy and she was just making excuses.