2008 College Football Thread

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Sowa

Why would you leave OU for Clemson? OU will match any offer and you have a way better chance of NCs at OU. Clemson and Tennessee should focus on Mike Leach imo.

Well, that was my thought when I heard the rumor. They can always go after Brent Venables too, though he may be interested in the K-State job more.

This info came from a source who knows someone inside that gargantuan Clemson booster organization.

And of course, just because they go after him doesn't mean he leaves.

[ricoFlame]

BCS television rights are going to change in the not-so-distant future. no more fox i a couple years. looks like espn.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3709030

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by ricoFlame

BCS television rights are going to change in the not-so-distant future. no more fox i a couple years. looks like espn.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3709030

yep, and they have bid it up from 85 mil fox paid for the current cycle to 125 mil.

[ricoFlame]

broadcasting rights change is a done deal.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3710477

[FlamingLonghorn]

UT designates Muschamp as heir apparent to Mack Brown raising his assistant salary from 400 to 900k. Good move in my opinion as this guy was surely gone at the end of this year otherwise. I think Mack is gone after the next year or two.

[Ethaniel]

All I have to say is GO Texas Tech Red Raiders !!

[flip]

Question for the more informed college football fans.

If TT loses to Oklahoma this weekend and Alabama loses to Florida in their last game.

Does Utah and Boise State HAVE to play in the National Championship because they will be the only two undefeated teams left in the top ten?

I've basically heard as much from my know it all obnoxious college football friend. I keep telling him that if such a scenario occurred the BCS would lose all credibility.

Assuming TT and Alabama both lose then wouldn't Florida finish first and play ???? (Oklahoma maybe)?

[moon]

Originally Posted by flip

Question for the more informed college football fans.

If TT loses to Oklahoma this weekend and Alabama loses to Florida in their last game.

Does Utah and Boise State HAVE to play in the National Championship because they will be the only two undefeated teams left in the top ten?

I've basically heard as much from my know it all obnoxious college football friend. I keep telling him that if such a scenario occurred the BCS would lose all credibility.

Assuming TT and Alabama both lose then wouldn't Florida finish first and play ???? (Oklahoma maybe)?

Your friend is 100% wrong. The top two teams, regardless of records, in the BCS rankings would play each other.

If TT and Alabama lose and Oklahoma wins out then Oklahoma will play Florida.

Utah and Boise State would need TT, Alabama, Florida, Texas and USC to all lose a game in order for them to make it to the Championship game.

[flip]

Originally Posted by moon

Your friend is 100% wrong. The top two teams, regardless of records, in the BCS rankings would play each other.

If TT and Alabama lose and Oklahoma wins out then Oklahoma will play Florida.

Utah and Boise State would need TT, Alabama, Florida, Texas and USC to all lose a game in order for them to make it to the Championship game.

What do you mean? Haven't all but TT and Alabama already lost a game?

Basically he is insistant that the BCS calculations/rules give undefeated teams a guarantee to the NC as long as they are in the top ten.

He has even insinuated that as long as Ball State was the only undefeated team in the top 25 they would finish #1 in the BCS rankings and play for the national championship.

So if Boise State and Utah win out and finish undefeated, while TT, Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama, Florida and USC all have one loss Boise State and Utah won't play in the NC game? Utah clearly isn't the best team in the nation even if they do go undefeated. I can't imagine any scenario, this season, where they would get to the NC game.

[Montana Moe]

Last year Hawaii was undefeated going into their bowl against Georgia. LSU had 2 losses, Ohio State had 1 loss.

If your friend was correct, Hawaii would have been in the championship game due to their undefeated record according to his Ball State theory. Hawaii was #12 in the BCS rankings so that doesn't bring the top 10 argument into account.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankin...5&seasonType=2


As far as the top 10 and undefeated argument, this is all you need to know:

1. The top two teams in the final BCS Standings shall play in the National Championship Game.

One team is pretty much guaranteed to play in a BCS bowl game, while the other may get in as the at-large bid:

The champion of Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference or the Western Athletic Conference will earn an automatic berth in a BCS bowl game if either:


A. Such team is ranked in the top 12 of the final BCS Standings, or,
B. Such team is ranked in the top 16 of the final BCS Standings and its ranking in the final BCS Standings is higher than that of a champion of a conference that has an annual automatic berth in one of the BCS bowls. No more than one such team from Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, and the Western Athletic Conference shall earn an automatic berth in any year. (Note: a second team may be eligible for at-large eligibility as noted below.) If two or more teams from those conferences satisfy the provisions for an automatic berth, then the team with the highest finish in the final BCS Standings will receive the automatic berth, and the remaining team or teams will be considered for at-large selection if it meets the criteria.

http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/eligibility

So the Boise State/Utah scenario won't happen though both may get in to a BCS bowl game.

[moon]

Originally Posted by flip

What do you mean? Haven't all but TT and Alabama already lost a game?

Yes, all the other teams have lost a game and they would need to have two loses for Utah or Boise State to pass them in the BCS standings.

Basically he is insistant that the BCS calculations/rules give undefeated teams a guarantee to the NC as long as they are in the top ten.

Wrong. Same thing happened with Hawaii last year. They were undefeated but did not go to the national championship game. You don't get rewarded for playing in a bogus conference with a free trip to the national championship.

There are provisions that if you are ranked high enough that you get to go to a BCS bowl but not the championship game. I think your friend is mistaking automatic BCS bowl bid with automatic championship bowl bid.

The championship game is between the top two teams in the BCS standings regardless of who is or isn't undefeated.

He has even insinuated that as long as Ball State was the only undefeated team in the top 25 they would finish #1 in the BCS rankings and play for the national championship.

Once again he is wrong.

So if Boise State and Utah win out and finish undefeated, while TT, Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama, Florida and USC all have one loss Boise State and Utah won't play in the NC game?

That is correct.

Utah clearly isn't the best team in the nation even if they do go undefeated. I can't imagine any scenario, this season, where they would get to the NC game.

There really isn't any situation now where that would happen. They would have needed basically ever team from the Big 12, Big 10, SEC and USC to have two loses to jump over them.

Even undefeated there is no way that a team like Utah is going to be ranked over a one loss team from a decent conference.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Well, going to the Kansas State/Iowa State game tomorrow. Nice battle of lousy teams! It will be my first NCAA football game in 23 years and my son's first ever. Looking forward to it despite the fact that I will probably freeze my ass off, just like I did 23 years ago.

Hard to get too up about it though as I have no interest in either team. May be meeting a good friend from Des Moines, IA there though, so that will be great.

In any case, nothing beats the atmosphere of a college football game. Can't wait to watch my son's reactions.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by flip

What do you mean? Haven't all but TT and Alabama already lost a game?

Basically he is insistant that the BCS calculations/rules give undefeated teams a guarantee to the NC as long as they are in the top ten.

He has even insinuated that as long as Ball State was the only undefeated team in the top 25 they would finish #1 in the BCS rankings and play for the national championship.

So if Boise State and Utah win out and finish undefeated, while TT, Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama, Florida and USC all have one loss Boise State and Utah won't play in the NC game? Utah clearly isn't the best team in the nation even if they do go undefeated. I can't imagine any scenario, this season, where they would get to the NC game.

The main thing to know here, which is relatively unique is that even though this is all Div I ball, not all conferences are created equal, and it's not even close. A 5 or 6 loss team in some conferences would be better than a 1 or 2 loss team in another conference. So teams that play in the tougher conferences get a little more slack when it comes to the rankings. Which is fair, because yea BSU is undefeated, but there are about 20 teams that would be undefeated with their easy schedule.

Hawaii was undefeated last year, then went to the sugar bowl ... then got hammered early and often by Georgia, who won 41-10 ... and it wasn't even that close. So 1 those undefeated teams may make a BCS bowl (actually almost a guarentee 1 will if they remain undefeated) but likely not the NC.

[Gugstanley]

Originally Posted by flip

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Utah clearly isn't the best team in the nation even if they do go undefeated. .

We won't know unless they are given a chance. The Mountain West conference is better then the ACC, Big East and Pac 10 this year. We can all argue about who is the best but until they put in a 16 team tournament nobody will know.

Florida's coach had very kind words for Utah and TCU. If Utah wins on Saturday they should be given a shot at a big school. If they lose they lose but in 2004 that team would have beaten anyone.

[ricoFlame]

don't forget about airforce, there are 4 very good football teams in the MWC, and...1ish in the big east and ACC.

[transplant99]

The Mountain West conference is better then the ACC, Big East and Pac 10 this year.

Seriously?

Look...no question all 3 of those conferences are having bad years (particularly the big East...brutal), but there is no evidence that they are inferior overall to any of the mid-majors.

they simply do not play the same quality of athletes, week in and week out, that the majors do. Once in a while one will jump up and get a power conference team at a good tme and beat them, but it is assinine to believe they could compete on a regular basis. Look no further than hawaii last year...once they got into it with one of the big boys, they were smoked.

Sure Boise St beat Oklahoma a couple years back....and even then it was neck and neck until the last play. But look at the history and it isnt even close. Think if BSU had to roll past say Florida and USC after that game they would have? Those are the kind of schedules most BCS cnference teams face year after year.

Utah doesn't "get a chance" because they play a weak schedule compared to the power conferences....dont kid yourself that they are worthy of NC consideration under the current format.

One way they could prove it however? With a playoff system....but that isnt viable somehow in college football....at least the BCS part of college football as it works just fine with D2 or whatever they are calling it today.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Utah doesn't "get a chance" because they play a weak schedule compared to the power conferences....dont kid yourself that they are worthy of NC consideration under the current format.

One way they could prove it however? With a playoff system....but that isnt viable somehow in college football....at least the BCS part of college football as it works just fine with D2 or whatever they are calling it today.

Another way the could do it is play a very very difficult out of conference schedule. However, this won't occur because the risk isn't worth it as Fresno St. found out in the past. You schedule those games and lose you don't get into a BCS game. You play a soft schedule and go undefeated you get BCS money.

[Gugstanley]

Originally Posted by Sowa

Another way the could do it is play a very very difficult out of conference schedule. However, this won't occur because the risk isn't worth it as Fresno St. found out in the past. You schedule those games and lose you don't get into a BCS game. You play a soft schedule and go undefeated you get BCS money.

The BCS schools won't schedule many of the mid majors and if they do it is always a home game for the BCS school. The BCS schools can't risk the lose so they chicken out of committing to home and home series.
Utah had to schedule a D2 team this year because they couldn't get other schools to play them. They realize that a strong schedule is necessary espcially when San Diego State and Wyoming are in your conference.

You don't see Michigan traveling out to Utah for a game but Utah went to the big house.

Alabama, USC and Penn State don't exactly have trying schedules.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Gugstanley

The BCS schools won't schedule many of the mid majors and if they do it is always a home game for the BCS school. The BCS schools can't risk the lose so they chicken out of committing to home and home series.
Utah had to schedule a D2 team this year because they couldn't get other schools to play them. They realize that a strong schedule is necessary espcially when San Diego State and Wyoming are in your conference.

You don't see Michigan traveling out to Utah for a game but Utah went to the big house.

Alabama, USC and Penn State don't exactly have trying schedules.

USC and Alabama had difficult schedules. Ones that would have resulted in at least 3 loses for Utah.

I hope they do get a legitimate opponent in a bowl game so when they get smoked people can stop pretending like these second tier teams should be taken seriously for the National Championship.

USC would have beat that 2004 Utah team by 3 TD's at least. Oklahoma and Auburn would have whipped them as well.

[transplant99]

The BCS schools won't schedule many of the mid majors and if they do it is always a home game for the BCS school.

Simply untrue.

I mean jebus...USC THIS year schedules Ohio St. at home and Virginia on the road. Next year they travel to the horseshoe. You don't think that they are worried about the Utah and Ball States of the world do you? Beyond that, why would they play in stadiums that hold 40-60,000 when they have a house that seats 80,90 or a 100? Its all about the money man....the NCAA always has been and always will be money first.

The other thing is that these schedules are done YEARS in advance. Often it simply isn't good competition for them to be playing totally inferior opponents as that case may happen when scheduling occurs. EG: Florida plays the Citadel this weekend...completely unwatchable football. It would be the same thing if they were playing San Jose St or even a Utah IMO.