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Sainters7 · 10-22-2008, 01:40 AM

Huge blow for Denver, Champ Bailey out 4-6 weeks with a torn groin. And his brother and teammate Boss Bailey has been lost for the season with a knee injury.

Displaced Flames fan · 10-22-2008, 07:05 AM

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Huge blow for Denver, Champ Bailey out 4-6 weeks with a torn groin. And his brother and teammate Boss Bailey has been lost for the season with a knee injury.

Wow.

That's going to be interesting. Cutler is going to have to do what he did the first three weeks for the Broncos to have any shot at winning any games.

They really need Sheffler and Stokely back, and Ryan Torain. The patchwork offense they had Monday night isn't good enough to carry that defense.

transplant99 · 10-22-2008, 07:35 AM

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The Chiefs should just axe this guy. He's got zero trade value right now, and I think it's pretty obvious that he's overstayed his welcome in the community. It's ont thing to keep a Tony Gonzalez to help groom your young players, but Larry Johnson will only teach them how to become cancer to the team. LJ on a team that had an offensive line could probably still be a bit effective as a football player, but on the Chiefs he's probably more harm than good.

My goodness have the Chiefs ever become terrible. No QB's left, a RB who's a total ######, They annoy the best TE in the history of the game. If Carl Peterson is still around after this season it's time to make the full time jump to the Steelers bandwagon for me!

ESPN reporting that LJ will be inactive this weekend if the NFL doesnt suspend him...which I think they will. Goodell has been pretty consistent about disciplining repeat offenders to the personal conduct policy.

Also being said that KC will not sign Culpepper but are looking at Gradkowski instead.

burn_baby_burn · 10-22-2008, 08:29 AM

Why would any QB want to play for the Chiefs? I mean, you might as well just go play on the freeway. I guess if your going to get injured you might as well get paid for it. Still it takes a brave, brave, man to take a snap behind that offensive line.

Edit: Chiefs sign Quinn Grey. The poor guy doesn't know what he has gotten himself into.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...ry/852573.html

transplant99 · 10-22-2008, 08:51 AM

I was wondering what happened to him actually. (Grey)

Dude looked good the few times i saw him in the past....big guy with a good arm...made some poor decisions but thats actually the norm for QB's anymore so hard to hold that against him.

Agreed though that getting back behind center on that team could be rather painful at some point.

rubecube · 10-22-2008, 09:00 AM

Brian Westbrook is back this week. Hopefully they haven't rushed him back as that Atlanta defense is pretty physical. I'd really like to see the Eagles use one of their two first round picks on a running-back this year. Someone like Moreno out of Georgia would be good insurance for when Westbrook gets injured.

howard_the_duck · 10-22-2008, 10:50 AM

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Brian Westbrook is back this week. Hopefully they haven't rushed him back as that Atlanta defense is pretty physical. I'd really like to see the Eagles use one of their two first round picks on a running-back this year. Someone like Moreno out of Georgia would be good insurance for when Westbrook gets injured.

I agree, a 1st rd pick of a RB would be ideal. With the way Westbrook runs, he plays banged up a lot and he will miss a game or 2 a year because of it. Personally, I will rest assured once Shawn Andrews is back. Without the big RG the Eagles have struggled to open up holes up front.

I'm also pretty eager to see what the WR corps looks like at full strength for the first time this season now that Kevin Curtis is good to go.

howard_the_duck · 10-22-2008, 04:51 PM

And nevermind that about Andrews.....he's out for the season with back surgery. There was some hope he'd be back this season. That's a huge blow to the Eagles offense.

Sainters7 · 10-23-2008, 09:50 AM

Brady has more procedures for infection, Pats upset with situation

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Doctors are aggressively fighting an infection in Tom Brady's surgically repaired left knee.

Brady recently acknowledged on his Web site that doctors went in "to clean and to test the wound" on Oct. 15 because of the infection. The New England Patriots quarterback has had two more similar procedures since then.

The story was first reported by the Boston Herald and confirmed by ESPN's Wendi Nix.

The Patriots, as an organization, are upset with the situation because they were clear that they wanted Brady's surgery done under the direction of doctors of their choosing in Boston, sources told ESPN.

Instead, Brady opted to have the surgery in California by a doctor his family preferred, and now there are major problems. Brady was supposed to be back in New England by now, but a timeline for his return remains unclear.

According to the Herald, Brady is on a six-week course of intravenously administered antibiotics, and is still having follow-up exams at the Kerlan-Jobe Orthopaedic Clinic in Los Angeles, where the surgery took place.

If the infection is not brought under control, the patellar tendon graft used to replace Brady's anterior cruciate ligament could become compromised, according to the Herald's report. If that happens, he will have to undergo another surgery on the ACL. That would reset the clock on his rehabilitation.

Brady had surgery on Oct. 6 -- 29 days after he was injured in the Patriots' season opener -- on a hit by Kansas City Chiefs safety Bernard Pollard. Brady reportedly tore the anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments in the knee.

Information from ESPN reporter Wendi Nix and The Associated Press was used in this report.

Related Topics: NFL, New England Patriots, Tom Brady

I wonder why he didnt just go see Dr. James Andrews, who seems to be the Drew Rosenhaus of the sports med world. Does anyone know how bad the infection is? Any chance of a LeCharles Bentley sitchy occuring?

PS- sorry for the long post. There's no direct link, I just took it from another MB.

burn_baby_burn · 10-23-2008, 11:52 AM

I'm really surprised that the team doesn't have more say over a situation like this. If the Patriots are flipping the bill there should be no debate on who or where the surgery is performed. It is a free country, but the Pats have millions riding on Brady's health. I wonder if they can sue Brady's doctor or even ask for salary back from Brady for his additional missed time. I know they would probably never get to that since they would not want to sour the relationship between Brady and the organization. Still the Patriots are getting screwed in this deal.

moon · 10-23-2008, 01:09 PM

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I'm really surprised that the team doesn't have more say over a situation like this. If the Patriots are flipping the bill there should be no debate on who or where the surgery is performed. It is a free country, but the Pats have millions riding on Brady's health. I wonder if they can sue Brady's doctor or even ask for salary back from Brady for his additional missed time. I know they would probably never get to that since they would not want to sour the relationship between Brady and the organization. Still the Patriots are getting screwed in this deal.

I think for Joe Blow player that is what would happen but for a guy like Tom Brady then he is pretty much free to do what he wants because he is one of the few players in the league that actually has some power over the club.

It isn't like he decided to go to some hack down in Mexico, he went to a legitimate doctor to get the surgery done.

I think anything the Patriots would try in terms of getting salary or even bitching about the incident will only sour the relationship with one of the top players in the game and not help him recover one iota.

At this point if I were them I would use it in the future to illustrate why they want guys to go with their doctors and let it go there. It doesn't appear that Brady or the doctors did anything reckless or negligent so getting upset at this point from the Pats point of view would just be pointless.

But considering how much of control freaks NFL coaches are, and the top control freak/jerk is in NE, I wouldn't be surprised that the Pats feel the need to take it further than that.

transplant99 · 10-23-2008, 01:16 PM

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It is a free country, but the Pats have millions riding on Brady's health. I wonder if they can sue Brady's doctor or even ask for salary back from Brady for his additional missed time

he was going to miss the season anyhow.

They can just cut him if they so choose and never pay him another penny if they think he will not make it back in time for next years training camp.

burn_baby_burn · 10-23-2008, 01:22 PM

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I think for Joe Blow player that is what would happen but for a guy like Tom Brady then he is pretty much free to do what he wants because he is one of the few players in the league that actually has some power over the club.

I would agree that Tom Brady is one of the few players that is bigger than the game. Still one would think, considering the money invested, that the club would be even more adamant about their franchise QB going to a team doctor rather than some family picked doctor back home.

burn_baby_burn · 10-23-2008, 01:24 PM

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he was going to miss the season anyhow.

They can just cut him if they so choose and never pay him another penny if they think he will not make it back in time for next years training camp.

That sounds like a scenario for Bodie Crowle not Tom Brady. Like I said it would never happen, but I wonder if the team could do something like that if they so desired (legally).

transplant99 · 10-23-2008, 01:39 PM

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That sounds like a scenario for Bodie Crowle not Tom Brady. Like I said it would never happen, but I wonder if the team could do something like that if they so desired (legally).

Im not following at all.

the Pats can cut Brady once he is declared healthy and be off the hook for the rest of his contract....never pay him another dime at no cost to themselves.

He was always going to get paid for this year regardless of what happened during surgery.

moon · 10-23-2008, 01:52 PM

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I would agree that Tom Brady is one of the few players that is bigger than the game. Still one would think, considering the money invested, that the club would be even more adamant about their franchise QB going to a team doctor rather than some family picked doctor back home.

I would agree if Brady were going to local doctor X in Podonkville, Arkansas, but the guy went to a well respected surgeon in LA.

I am sure they are ticked that it is going to cost him more time but considering he went to a respected doctor and it doens't appear that it was because of negligence on behlaf of the doctor that the team really can be that pissed that he went somewhere else.

burn_baby_burn · 10-23-2008, 02:12 PM

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Im not following at all.

the Pats can cut Brady once he is declared healthy and be off the hook for the rest of his contract....never pay him another dime at no cost to themselves.

He was always going to get paid for this year regardless of what happened during surgery.

I meant a player of Brady's stature is not going to get cut. Unless it appears he may never be able to fully recover or be the same player he was before the injury (Bo Jackson for instance). I know that he is guaranteed his salary for this season. I think the problem for the Pats is if the recent complications significantly prolong his recovery and put any of next season in jeopardy.

Language · 10-23-2008, 02:28 PM

So who do you guys think I should start as my flex player in my draft this week? I have Deuce McAllister who should see a lot more carries with Bush out, or LenDale White, who had a monster game last week, although it was against the putrid rush defense of the Chiefs?

Sylvanfan · 10-23-2008, 02:39 PM

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So who do you guys think I should start as my flex player in my draft this week? I have Deuce McAllister who should see a lot more carries with Bush out, or LenDale White, who had a monster game last week, although it was against the putrid rush defense of the Chiefs?

Chargers pass defence is a bit suspect at times as the pass rush really misses Merriman. I think Drew Brees really wants to have a big game against his old team too. So I think the Saints will be putting the ball in the air a lot and that the ground game won't see a lot of action. Whereas the Titans are a team that will try to run the ball. White will likely have to split carries with Brown, but he tends to get a lot of the goal to go carries, so I think I'd go with him.

transplant99 · 10-23-2008, 04:06 PM

ESPN just did a story on this Brady situation and it was disclosed that a player can choose any doctor of his liking to do surgeries as part of the CBA.....but it has to be agreed upon by the club as well, which in this case the Patriots did agree.