Peanut Butter Allergies AGAIN [Split from Mentally Challenged Thread]

[Kjesse]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...scientist.html

Our own desire to shelter our young and achieve comfort will ultimately cause us to stop to gain genetic advantages, according, in part, to this article.

I'd say, keep peanuts out of preschool and maybe to grade 6, but the fact that we even debate banning peanuts in schools in the year 2008 makes me think that in 100 years or so we'll be requiring pure reverse-osmosis water in schools else kids start to die due to some new genetic mutation that makes anything less than pure water deadly to them. At some point we have to address the root cause -- genetics -- and not make the rest of the population avoid the 'hazard'.

I have a lot of sympathy for those with severe allergies, and if I knew anyone with a peanut allergy I'd be happy to do even inordinate things to keep peanuts away from them, and to let them participate in birthday parties.

But at some point you have to stop and realize that something isn't right, and it needs to be fixed in another way than banning an ordinarily non-harmful thing from all of society.

Its kind of like how I'm against the over-use of penicillin... in the sense that, while it does a lot of good, it is contributing to the mutation of 'superbugs'. We might be creating a much more severe epidemic by trying to avoid one.

[llama64]

Originally Posted by J pold

I voiced my opinion on this topic in a thread a couple of months ago but here it goes again.

I have very rare fairly serious allergy. It has put me in a life threatening state before and I have been treated for it in emergency rooms before. I'm exposed to it almost everyday not matter what I do. However managing my condition is my responsibility not anyone else. I could put a lot of people in my life at a large inconvenience to try accommodate my needs but I refuse to do that. I take the necessary precautions to do whatever I have to too prevent myself from having a serious reaction. I don't expect others do too that. Because of this I have little to sympathy for parents with kids that have a peanut allergy. It's there responsibility to take care of there children.

In order to afford kids, a house and two cars (fairly standard family situation), both parents usually have to work. This leaves the parents in the situation of trying to figure out the best care for their kids while they are out side their own care. Past the age of 5-6, this is usually the school system.

The school system is already over-strained trying to do it's primary function of educating the kids, let alone look after every child's unique needs.

How are the parents of a child with a severe allergy supposed to deal with this situation? Should they just accept that the local school bully will simply try to smear peanut butter all over their kids face and hopefully they won't die as a result? Keep in mind, a child in elementary cannot be counted on to take care of them selves.

An all out ban is pretty much the only thing that can be enforced right now. Yeah, it sucks to inconvenience other people, but what else are these parents supposed to do?

[Dan02]

I'd have to agree with him Delgar, I'd go as far as to say with the advent of modern medicine we're actually starting to unevolve. In our society now genetically "inferior" individuals have almost the exact same chance to reproduce as the genetically "superior", where previously a bad genetic mutation probably would have lead to death before reproductive age, now these genetic defects can be passed down to subsequent generations.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Dan02

I'd have to agree with him Delgar, I'd go as far as to say with the advent of modern medicine we're actually starting to unevolve. In our society now genetically "inferior" individuals have almost the exact same chance to reproduce as the genetically "superior", where previously a bad genetic mutation probably would have lead to death before reproductive age, now these genetic defects can be passed down to subsequent generations.

I would agree with that. Back in college I had an instuctor who was telling us about his daughter who had asthma. Basically he said that we were breeding a society of weaklings.

Where do we draw the line? Do we go the Nazi route and execute people with handicaps that are a burden on society? Of course not. Do we let nature take its course when somebody is suffering from a serious illness? Should we put the elderly out in the woods to die becuase they have become a burden? What about all the junkies and alcoholics who abuse their bodies and need to be rushed to hospitals for treatment? Should we just leave them in the streets to die? What about people who don't take care of themselves, who smoke and eat fatty foods with little to no exercise who suffer heart attacks or strokes? Should they be left to die because they were warned numerous times that that type of lifestyle was bad for thier health? How do we choose who should live and who should die? Or should everybody, regardless of the way they were born or the choices they make in life, be allowed the same care and respect?

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by J pold

I voiced my opinion on this topic in a thread a couple of months ago but here it goes again.

I have very rare fairly serious allergy.

What is your allergy?

[metal_geek]

Originally Posted by J pold

I voiced my opinion on this topic in a thread a couple of months ago but here it goes again.

I have very rare fairly serious allergy. It has put me in a life threatening state before and I have been treated for it in emergency rooms before. I'm exposed to it almost everyday not matter what I do. However managing my condition is my responsibility not anyone else. I could put a lot of people in my life at a large inconvenience to try accommodate my needs but I refuse to do that. I take the necessary precautions to do whatever I have to too prevent myself from having a serious reaction. I don't expect others do too that. Because of this I have little to sympathy for parents with kids that have a peanut allergy. It's there responsibility to take care of there children.

I can see your point but you do sound a little bitter that you have the same concequences as peanut allergy people and none of the public supports..



The genetics argument is a little weak, who's to say what genetic improvements are. I'm not saying that there isn't some truth or that it's not complete bunk, but I think it's hard to say what kind of genetic mutations are wrong or right.

The Penicillin example is a good one, people can argue how much it lets people live longer when they would have died before, so the species gets weaker. I agree with the over use part, but anyone who's not a religious zelot can't say to me that wouldn't give it to someone in thier family if they were sick because it makes the species stronger if thier loved one dies...

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by llama64

Should they just accept that the local school bully will simply try to smear peanut butter all over their kids face and hopefully they won't die as a result?

Okay, so now this is a concern too? Has this happened in reality?

It'd be interesting to know how many Canadians have been told that contact with, say, peanut butter on a lunch table, could be fatal for their child. And I mean told by the pediatrician or allergist outright, and not told by a website, a book, a healer or some quack.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Okay, so now this is a concern too? Has this happened in reality?

Yes it has.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...ifeFamily/home

[J pold]

Originally Posted by llama64

In order to afford kids, a house and two cars (fairly standard family situation), both parents usually have to work. This leaves the parents in the situation of trying to figure out the best care for their kids while they are out side their own care. Past the age of 5-6, this is usually the school system.

The school system is already over-strained trying to do it's primary function of educating the kids, let alone look after every child's unique needs.

How are the parents of a child with a severe allergy supposed to deal with this situation? Should they just accept that the local school bully will simply try to smear peanut butter all over their kids face and hopefully they won't die as a result? Keep in mind, a child in elementary cannot be counted on to take care of them selves.

An all out ban is pretty much the only thing that can be enforced right now. Yeah, it sucks to inconvenience other people, but what else are these parents supposed to do?

I really don’t think parents are that helpless when the kids are in school. And last I checked schools do a pretty good job of look after children’s unique needs. The parents should be teaching their kids at a young age how to manage their allergy. Schools should educating class rooms about the dangers of peanut and other allergies. If child’s allergy is so bad than they should be eating lunch in another room. Where peanuts are banned. If the allergy is common enough to consider banning peanuts from schools than they would surely have some company. Also making sure no one eats during class for the safety of the kid, I think this is a reasonable request.

I’m all for some precautions, marking products to say if they contains peanuts or not. But the extent that people are going to ridiculous. A couple of years ago my younger brother was in Elementary and I offered him some of my peanut butter toast. He had to refuse because he wasn’t allowed to eat any peanut products for breakfast in his own home. Now that too me is just ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Boblobla

What is your allergy?

I’m allergic to cold temperatures. Essentially if anything is below 5 degrees (water, outside) than I have a pretty serious allergic reaction. I start breaking out in hives and my blood pressure starts decreasing rapidly. The winter is pretty bad, if I’m exposed to freezing temperatures for more than 5-10 minutes (depending on how cold it is) I have trouble breathing and become very light headed.

However like I mentioned before it’s my responsibility to make sure that I won’t be put into a situation where I can have a serious reaction. I constantly carry heavy jackets, tuks, mitts, whatever I need so that I don’t put myself in danger. If a child had my condition would it be right to ban the rest of the school from going outside for recess in the winter? I don’t think so. Would it be right to ban felid trips to places where you cold temperatures are present? Nope.

Originally Posted by metal_geek

I can see your point but you do sound a little bitter that you have the same concequences as peanut allergy people and none of the public supports.
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You realize the premise of my post was that I don’t want others support and that it’s my responsibility to take care of myself right?

[metal_geek]

Originally Posted by J pold

I really don’t think parents are that helpless when the kids are in school. And last I checked schools do a pretty good job of look after children’s unique needs. The parents should be teaching their kids at a young age how to manage their allergy. Schools should educating class rooms about the dangers of peanut and other allergies. If child’s allergy is so bad than they should be eating lunch in another room. Where peanuts are banned. If the allergy is common enough to consider banning peanuts from schools than they would surely have some company. Also making sure no one eats during class for the safety of the kid, I think this is a reasonable request.

I’m all for some precautions, marking products to say if they contains peanuts or not. But the extent that people are going to ridiculous. A couple of years ago my younger brother was in Elementary and I offered him some of my peanut butter toast. He had to refuse because he wasn’t allowed to eat any peanut products for breakfast in his own home. Now that too me is just ridiculous.



I’m allergic to cold temperatures. Essentially if anything is below 5 degrees (water, outside) than I have a pretty serious allergic reaction. I start breaking out in hives and my blood pressure starts decreasing rapidly. The winter is pretty bad, if I’m exposed to freezing temperatures for more than 5-10 minutes (depending on how cold it is) I have trouble breathing and become very light headed.

However like I mentioned before it’s my responsibility to make sure that I won’t be put into a situation where I can have a serious reaction. I constantly carry heavy jackets, tuks, mitts, whatever I need so that I don’t put myself in danger. If a child had my condition would it be right to ban the rest of the school from going outside for recess in the winter? I don’t think so. Would it be right to ban felid trips to places where you cold temperatures are present? Nope.



You realize the premise of my post was that I don’t want others support and that it’s my responsibility to take care of myself right?

Man you have a terrible allergy....

I get the premise of your post, but your allergy has a different mechanism then nut allergys.

I think the end results of the allergy is compareable but you have different coping options. Once a kid eats peanuts he don't have the option to remove it. Like you opening a door in school and finding out it's a freezer. You slam the door shut and move on... the nut allergy kid gets epi or dies..

I'm not trying to downplay your allergy at all... Prolly harder to deal with then nut allergys, but there are so many hidden trap doors for nut allergy kids who aren't able to fully comprehend... Most adults can't.

[redforever]

Children are put in our protective care because until they get old enough and educated enough about a lot of things, they are incapable of caring for themselves.

Surely people here are not advocating that parents abandon their responsibilities once their children reach school age? Just because a child is now 5 years old does not mean that they will be able to deal with their allergy situation in school. Little children don't understand that once can be one time too many when you have a severe allergy. You can preach the importance of avoiding certain allergins but young children simply do not have the cognitive skills to project one little exposure into a life threatening situation.

So then, what are people here advocating? Parents go to school with their children and sit in the classrooms with them and go outside for recess with them and eat lunch with them? Do people here realistically think this is feasible?

Or perhaps can they open their eyes, their brains and their hearts a little bit and accept that while it might be an inconvenience to the rest of us, young children need our protection, that is the protection of not just their parents but society as a whole, until these young children have matured enough to deal with the situation on their own. And I think most schools have accepted the fact that High School is the age where those children now should be educated enough about their allery and capable enough to handle it on their own.

[Superflyer]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Okay, so now this is a concern too? Has this happened in reality?

It'd be interesting to know how many Canadians have been told that contact with, say, peanut butter on a lunch table, could be fatal for their child. And I mean told by the pediatrician or allergist outright, and not told by a website, a book, a healer or some quack.

I can do you one better, as you may recall I mentioned earlier in this thread my daughters best friend is allergic to peanuts. When her dad took her to the Stamps she had a reaction from someone eating peanuts two rows in front of them. They later found out that even the skin around the peanut can cause a reaction that will close off her throat and that is most likely what happened, since she never touched any of the peanuts the skin and\or peanut dust was carried up by the wind to them. (The peanut dust has never been confirmed it is just theory, but the skin has been confirmed by their doctor.)
Now when he goes to games he goes with his friends and when he gets home he makes sure to change his clothes before he comes into contact with her.
So if the skin of a peanut can cause this imagine what concentrated peanuts in PB form can do.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by J pold

I really don’t think parents are that helpless when the kids are in school. And last I checked schools do a pretty good job of look after children’s unique needs. The parents should be teaching their kids at a young age how to manage their allergy. Schools should educating class rooms about the dangers of peanut and other allergies. If child’s allergy is so bad than they should be eating lunch in another room. Where peanuts are banned. If the allergy is common enough to consider banning peanuts from schools than they would surely have some company. Also making sure no one eats during class for the safety of the kid, I think this is a reasonable request.

I’m all for some precautions, marking products to say if they contains peanuts or not. But the extent that people are going to ridiculous. A couple of years ago my younger brother was in Elementary and I offered him some of my peanut butter toast. He had to refuse because he wasn’t allowed to eat any peanut products for breakfast in his own home. Now that too me is just ridiculous.



I’m allergic to cold temperatures. Essentially if anything is below 5 degrees (water, outside) than I have a pretty serious allergic reaction. I start breaking out in hives and my blood pressure starts decreasing rapidly. The winter is pretty bad, if I’m exposed to freezing temperatures for more than 5-10 minutes (depending on how cold it is) I have trouble breathing and become very light headed.

However like I mentioned before it’s my responsibility to make sure that I won’t be put into a situation where I can have a serious reaction. I constantly carry heavy jackets, tuks, mitts, whatever I need so that I don’t put myself in danger. If a child had my condition would it be right to ban the rest of the school from going outside for recess in the winter? I don’t think so. Would it be right to ban felid trips to places where you cold temperatures are present? Nope.



You realize the premise of my post was that I don’t want others support and that it’s my responsibility to take care of myself right?

You can't be serious? Comparing your allergy to a food allergy? My daughter also has the same allergy as you, as well as being allergic to tree nuts and fur. For instance, she will break out in hives when she is running through the sprinkler in the summer time.

That allergy is easy to manage for us. We make sure she dresses warm and always has a tuque, mitts, and a scarf during the winter. With the exception of the odd argument when I insist she wears a warmer coat on a morning like today, it is an allergy that is pretty stress free as a parent.

Nuts on the other hand can kill her. She could be exposed to nuts without even knowing it, traces of nuts on a desk, nut residue on a hand etc.etc. When it comes to cold temperatures, its pretty easy to look at the thermometer and determine if she is at risk or not.