Canadian English Leaders Debate

[metallicat]

I had the debate on pause for awhile, so I am still trying to catch up. But one of my favorite things of the entire thing, is May addressing Harper, and Harper just staring at her, responding to nothing she says.

She is utterly useless, and has no right to be in this debate. The Greens, IMO, don't even have an MP.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

I had the debate on pause for awhile, so I am still trying to catch up. But one of my favorite things of the entire thing, is May addressing Harper, and Harper just staring at her, responding to nothing she says.

She is utterly useless, and has no right to be in this debate. The Greens, IMO, don't even have an MP.

Harper was restraining himself from killing her with his mind and incinerating Jack Layton with force lightning.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Well, it's not a fake example. It is Exxon recieiving the tax break.

The president of Esso is the same as Exxon. He specifically says Exxon to imply the American connection but Esso is afterall, an American trademark Exxon uses in certain countries like Canada and in Europe. It's all the same company, ExxonMobil.

Pretty sure you're wrong here. I could be wrong here but Esso is the brand Imperial Oil markets under, which is only 70% owned by ExxonMobil

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Harper was restraining himself from killing her with his mind and incinerating Jack Layton with force lightning.

LOL, it truly does look like he wants to kill her. I don't blame him.

[Ronald Pagan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jeNdGnVWYg

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

LOL, it truly does look like he wants to kill her. I don't blame him.

I wonder if the Prime Minister gets the Nixon rule, you know, one no question murder per year of their term?

[metallicat]

Well I still think he should have just wheeled her out. Either that, or get Dion to help pick her up and drop her outside of the hall.

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by Ronald Pagan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jeNdGnVWYg

Oh man, that's funny stuff.

[the_only_turek_fan]

I also liked how Harper was really calm through all of this....the others got really emotional at times.

I thought before that all 5 of the leaders should be allowed on this debate, but now I don't think so. The Greens and Bloc should not be brought back. When more than 3 people were talking at the same time it sounded like times when my friends and I were talking about politics over pitchers at the Kilkenny. Very unprofessional, IMO.

I did like the round table format though. I liked how they could look directly in each others eyes when responding.

I thought that Dion was not bad overall. Harper did well despite the 4 on 1 attacks.

I still don't get how the green shift works though..........Dion says for every one dollar raised it comes back to us via income tax cuts.....

If carbon is taxed, then companies will be taxed for the carbon they emit when they produce a barrel of crude oil (sorry, I could be wrong about this. I am not in the oil business), can the oil companies pass the cost on or do they have to sell the barrel at the global price of oil?

If they can't then Dion is really eating in to their profits....could that lead to decrease in exploration and/or job loses?

And if they can pass on the cost, then thats even worst. Cause the production of EVERYTHING requires energy and if there is an increase in the cost at the top, it will trickle down and basic every day goods will become extremely expensive....not sure how that will help the families at the kitchen counter.

Can someone explain how this thing works please?

[rubecube]

Wow, what an awful debate. The American VP debate was much classier than civil and I came away with respect for both candidates. In this one, everyone acted like children (especially May) and I lost respect for everyone.

[KTown]

I am not all up on politics like some of you but my feeling is that iF NDP and/or Green Party would win, we'd be in for an economical disaster. If those two parties would win I'd either

A) Get ready to pack up and move
or
B) Vote for Separation!

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Can someone explain how this thing works please?

And there is the real reason why it isn't selling at the doors. It is difficult to explain and there are doubts as whether it is better. And especially when it is so complex that people naturally want the status quo instead of something they don't quite understand. Bad issue for the Liberals to run on - it's hard to explain and very easy to slam.

The way that it is supposed to work is that a company will be charged a green tax proportional to the amount of carbon dioxide they emit. We have had debates in other threads where you can see both sides discuss whether that tax will be passed on to the consumer or not. But the theory is that if there is two companies that produce a product, the one emitting the least carbon dioxide will have a profit advantage. But there are definitely some industries where demand is not elastic where they have the luxury of just passing off any additional tax onto the consumer.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by KTown

I am not all up on politics like some of you but my feeling is that iF NDP and/or Green Party would win, we'd be in for an economical disaster. If those two parties would win I'd either

A) Get ready to pack up and move
or
B) Vote for Separation!

I agree on the NDP but not on the Greens. A lot of people mistake the Greens as having a similar economic plan as the NDP. In reality their platform falls probably just right of the Liberals and just left of the Conservatives.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I agree on the NDP but not on the Greens. A lot of people mistake the Greens as having a similar economic plan as the NDP. In reality their platform falls probably just right of the Liberals and just left of the Conservatives.

Really? I had thought this, but that is not what I heard from May.

[Flames0910]

hey is this on youtube or anything? i was out but would like to watch a recording of it

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

Really? I had thought this, but that is not what I heard from May.

That's the problem with the Greens. May has been absolutley brutal at presenting the platform and is also coming across as really unlikeable. I'll admit I haven't researched the Greens platform during this election as thoroughly as I did during the last two elections but I don't believe it would be too fundamentally different. They can be pretty right-wing on some of their economic policies.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by rubecube

That's the problem with the Greens. May has been absolutley brutal at presenting the platform and is also coming across as really unlikeable. I'll admit I haven't researched the Greens platform during this election as thoroughly as I did during the last two elections but I don't believe it would be too fundamentally different. They can be pretty right-wing on some of their economic policies.

Political pundits on CBC (CTS) mentioned that in past years there was confusion on whether the Greens were right or left wing.. and this year they've pretty much cemented themselves on the left side of the spectrum. Take that for what it's worth...

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Political pundits on CBC (CTS) mentioned that in past years there was confusion on whether the Greens were right or left wing.. and this year they've pretty much cemented themselves on the left side of the spectrum. Take that for what it's worth...

Yeah, and again I think May is to blame for that. I remember in high school we had to do a done on who we would vote for at the time. This was during the 2004 election just before the Liberals were reduced to a minority. There was a guy in the class who usually conflicted with me on most political issues. He was a staunch NDP supporter and I was supporting the Conservatives.

When the time came to present our projects we were both stunned that each of us had chosen the Greens. They met my criteria for economic policies and social policies, and he ended up sacrificing some of his views of economy because he liked their social policies.

Anyways, before I ramble too much, I think when May was elected leader the party really started to drift in the wrong direction. It caused me to lose quite a bit of interest in them and I won't even be voting for them this time around, which is saying a lot considering how much time I spent volunteering for them during the last election.

[Hack&Lube]

CBC pundits are all saying May won the debate in being the most presenatable and gaining the most traction and showing that she belongs there. For those that follow the green party, I don't know what that means.

I agree with the guy on CBC who said Harper eroded his "leadership" advantage because of how passive he was. I'm guessing he tried to avoid the "evil and domineering" criticism and tried to appear Prime Ministerial but man...the guy has to realize that he has to defend himself with a little more energy and determination.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

CBC pundits are all saying May won the debate in being the most presenatable and gaining the most traction and showing that she belongs there. For those that follow the green party, I don't know what that means.

WHAT?! She came off as shrill, irritating and childish. I think CBC's pundits are clowns. During the last election they kept saying Layton was winning the debates when the guy never even properly presented his platform.